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5 years after a giant blackout, are we better off?
yahoo via AP ^ | 8/13/2008 | Mark Williams

Posted on 08/13/2008 2:02:30 PM PDT by shove_it

Five years after the worst blackout in North American history, the country's largest power providers say the problems that turned out the lights on 50 million people have largely been resolved, but they fear that larger, systemic issues could soon lead to even bigger and more damaging outages.

(Excerpt) Read more at biz.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: blackout; energy; outage; powergrid
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1 posted on 08/13/2008 2:02:30 PM PDT by shove_it
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To: shove_it

I remembering arguing with some idiot liberal on the then operating Yahoo boards who claimed, through six degrees of separation, that it was Bush’s fault.


2 posted on 08/13/2008 2:04:42 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: shove_it

What’s their answer? Wait!, I know, Raise Taxes!


3 posted on 08/13/2008 2:05:36 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: shove_it

Oddly, we only lost power for a few seconds here. And a good thing, too, as it gets hot in the high desert in summer.


4 posted on 08/13/2008 2:05:49 PM PDT by Excellence (Why do scoundrels like Ayers gravitate to public education when Plan A fails?)
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To: shove_it

Well,,,, nothin’ has changed here at the epicenter of that blackout. Akron Ohio.


5 posted on 08/13/2008 2:10:08 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Why do you say that?

Digital controls have been installed in the Systems Operations Centers for the electrical grid. All new stuff.

6 posted on 08/13/2008 2:19:51 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

That’s what an international task force concluded a year later, listing six FirstEnergy failures as causes, including the most low-tech of all — failure to cut down trees under transmission lines. Investigators also noted 10 other FirstEnergy operational deficiencies as contributing causes.

The Akron-based utility disputed the findings at the time but has since spent millions of dollars on upgrades and training. The company also adopted a scorched earth policy about trees. There won’t be any. (A tree under an overheated and sagging transmission line in Walton Hills was identified as part of the chain of events that led to the blackout.)

What we’ve learned since the blackout of ‘03
http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/08/what_weve_learned_since_the_bl.html


7 posted on 08/13/2008 2:23:51 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shove_it

Links of articles concerning blackout

North American Power Grid-lock of 2003
http://www.indusscitech.net/blackout2003.html


8 posted on 08/13/2008 2:26:58 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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http://www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm#Resources_NENA.htm


9 posted on 08/13/2008 2:28:27 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shove_it; _Jim

It was just a tree limb, just ask _jim.


10 posted on 08/13/2008 2:28:43 PM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: Pontiac
Digital controls have been installed in the Systems Operations Centers for the electrical grid. All new stuff.

Digital controls have been in System Operation Centers for decades. Of course, the one used now by FirstEnergy works properly, which cannot be said for the control system that was in service during the blackout.

A lot has changed since the blackout, mostly aimed at improving monitoring of the transmission system, and at giving NERC some regulatory teeth in making sure that utilities and reliability coordinators adhere to the rules regarding operation of the transmission grid.

The upside is that the industry is serious about preventing another blackout. The downside is that there are thousands of pages of procedures and regulations where there were once a few hundred.

There's still room for improvement, and supply is not increasing as fast as demand, so we could well see the same type of daily rolling blackouts in the US that have been used in California a few times over the last few years.

11 posted on 08/13/2008 2:32:20 PM PDT by meyer (...by any means necessary.)
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To: eastforker
It was just a tree limb, just ask _jim.

It was part of it.

How and Why the Blackout Began in Ohio, Summary
https://reports.energy.gov/B-F-Web-Part2.pdf
Page 45
U.S.-Canada Power System Outage Task Force

After 15:05 EDT, some of FE’s 345-kV transmission lines began tripping out because the lines were contacting overgrown trees within the lines’ right-of-way areas.

12 posted on 08/13/2008 2:41:30 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shove_it

It was the mylar balloons!! :)


13 posted on 08/13/2008 2:47:10 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: Pontiac
The service to this area, Sagamore Hills/Northfield Center has not been upgraded in many, many years. Yet the population has at least octupled. A few years ago, the Utility browned out our public utility. Blew out all the pumps due to relay chatter. I hired a company to analyze the electric supply. The tester had a roll of adding machine paper on it. I asked the tech how long that would last. He told me, “For weeks.” I went back to the plant 6 hours later to find adding machine paper all over the floor! It had used the whole roll. Voltage swings, even CPS problems, all kinds of stuff you'd never expect. Noise out the you-know-what!
14 posted on 08/13/2008 3:55:53 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
The service to this area, Sagamore Hills/Northfield Center has not been upgraded in many, many years. Yet the population has at least octupled. A few years ago, the Utility browned out our public utility.

If by public utility you mean Municipal Power company you need say no more.

You won’t get any upgrades on your distribution system until your local politicians manage to get a federal grant. Your politicians won’t get a grant until they hire a professional to apply for the grant.

Isn’t socialism wonderful.

15 posted on 08/13/2008 5:57:57 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: shove_it; neverdem; Cacique

Five years already? I was in grad school at the time, and when the power went out I was working a side job in the meatpacking district. Walked from 14th and 9th all the way to the Staten Island ferry (the line for the Brooklyn Ferry stretched for miles, so I skipped it). Caught two buses in Staten Island, which was PITCH BLACK, until I made it to Bay Ridge. Spent the evening having an informal block party with my neighbors.


16 posted on 08/13/2008 6:05:32 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Pontiac
Just to make thins a bit more clear, I am the chief operator of a water company which serves a population of about 1,500 people. I take my responsibilities VERY SERIOUSLY. I have had unending problems with the electric company, and have threatened to sue them on several occasions. They have placed our company on high priority. Now I'm glad we have installed a generator that can now run the hole system. We're now much better off than Cleveland or Akron. If the power goes off, I can run as long as I van get diesel fuel.
17 posted on 08/13/2008 8:18:32 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I take my responsibilities VERY SERIOUSLY.

In that case here is something to think seriously about.

How far away from your plant is the share holder owned utility.

Depending on how far away and what your plants electrical usage is the power company would more than likely be very willing to run new service out to your plant.

It is surprising how much better service you get when a company’s profit depends no keeping its you happy.

18 posted on 08/14/2008 5:44:27 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Pontiac

You know? I’m not really sure exactly where the power is generated. Our Public Utility is in Sagamore Hills, about 20 miles North of Akron. The PUCO gave me a tip several years ago to DEMAND that we be put on the same status as hospitals, police stations, etc. That has forced the electric company to put us in a priority position for “first response” in case of outages. But we have also installed a large generator of our own that can run the whole plant during emergencies.


19 posted on 08/14/2008 6:01:09 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: thackney

Reading the article gives me no sense or impression that there is any engineered guarantee that the electrical transmission system is as predicatable as the SCADA systems being employed would imply.

There are plenty of firms willing to install SCADA without a clue as to system modeling.

Most problems I’ve seen in the industry are due to off-the-shelf construction of distribution and transmission networks lacking in definitive robust design. The systems function, so those who contract and build them are really never held accountable for their design.

As in this case, the few players and perhaps the only who might have professional responsibility and desire to effect a well designed system, are hammered for the failure caused by lack of design by others.

Electronic monitoring of these systems is somewhat laughable. Certain parameters are good to measure and telemetry used to communicate system responses to dynamic loading, but unless the entire system has been designed, it will not be properly modeled, let alone controllable in real-time.

(The best real-time system is frequently the system itself.)


20 posted on 08/14/2008 6:04:41 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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