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Documents: Ivins had custody of purified anthrax
AP ^ | August 6, 2008

Posted on 08/06/2008 11:48:15 AM PDT by Shermy

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To: Shermy

Fed’s try to bribe alleged suspect’s children to turn against him.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080806/...usa_anthrax_dc
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‘The officials defended the tactics used in the Ivins investigation, rejecting complaints he made to a colleague about what he considered to be the aggressive questioning of his two children, who are both 24.
One official said the questioning, which reportedly included pressuring Ivins’ children to turn on their father, involved “appropriate” techniques.
According to news media reports, FBI agents showed Ivins’ daughter pictures of the victims and said, “Your father did this.” They told his son he could collect the $2.5 million reward, plus a sports car of his choice.’


I would consider any activity like this illegal.

Not only a government agency involved in bribery to gain judicial judgment
and conviction, but also it’s clearly punishing a person without a judgment
of guilt by conviction in open court.

I further find it quite disturbing, because I too have had family and other
social contacts destroyed over the last 6 years with similar tactics.

Imagine my surprise when my own sister and her husband wanted to know,
“exactly just what they had to do to get their house paid off?” ($100,000)
Like they we’re about to win a game show or something.

And the subsequently try to explain to me that it would be best if I left my
laptop computer with them, and that “Sometimes, It’s too big of a job for the
Public to know what’s best.” (In regard to their own governance). It wouldn’t
have been so offensive if they hadn’t been so adamant in their out of
character performance.

With in the same week, at the residential structure I was remodeling, the
home owner, out of the blue, wanted to know, “exactly what he could do
to get a million dollars?”

I said, “I don’t know? ...Maybe you could tell me.”

What you people should be aware of, We’ve got some seriously fukced up
sh!t being perpetrated against people in our country do to their political views,
or peace activities.

And the tactics being employed to silence those people are far more egregious
than a casual brush of their 1st Amendment Constitutional Rights.

There is a serious subversion of entire law enforcement community in the
name of security. If you don’t speak out against these type of abuses collectively,
you resign yourself to self-imposed 2nd class citizenry.

I would consider any evidence gathered in the Bruce Ivin’s matter as highly
suspect of having any judicial integrity.

- Tracy Mapes


21 posted on 08/06/2008 12:39:52 PM PDT by news1st (news1st@hotmail.com)
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To: Shermy
“and sent a suspicious e-mail a few days before the anthrax attacks. The e-mail warned that Osama bin Laden’s terrorists “for sure have anthrax and sarin gas” and had “just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans.” The affidavit said the language in the e-mail was similar to warnings in the anthrax letters: “WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX . . . DEATH TO AMERICA . . . DEATH TO ISRAEL.”

This is astonishing. Someone writes an email about something in their direct area of expertise in light of current catastrophic news events, and it's suspicious. To the contrary, it's normal. It's what people do. Thousands of threads on hundreds of forums at that time said the same thing. That Ivins accurately described the Osama fatwa, as did millions of commentators, forum posters and news people, demonstrates only that he has an attention span; is able to recall relevant past events and connect them to current events, and *gasp!* wonder about what that means for tomorrow. He did what any rational adult does in the aftermath of an assault: he assesses the enemy's position to determine current risk. Anticipating what might come next is a hallmark of normalcy.

Granted, they did not release the entire text of the email, but I strongly suspect that if the e-mail had contained anything more incriminating than this, they'd have released that, and not this lame stuff.

22 posted on 08/06/2008 12:42:25 PM PDT by Eroteme
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To: Shermy

bttt


23 posted on 08/06/2008 12:44:19 PM PDT by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: news1st
I would consider any activity like this illegal.

It isn't illegal, but it's highly unethical, and as you correctly note, rather disturbing.

It also isn't necessary to resort to these kinds of tactics if you have a truly strong case with evidence to back it up.

I sure as hell would never vote to convict anyone in a court of law if I knew that family members were being bribed with millions of dollars for their testimony!

Everything about these reports just screams that their case against Ivins was somewhere between flimsy and nonexistent.

24 posted on 08/06/2008 12:53:50 PM PDT by jpl ("Present." - Barack Obama)
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Not to mention if he’s the only perp, why go for a plea bargain at all? Isn’t a plea bargain more suitable for trying to turn one plotter against another?


25 posted on 08/06/2008 1:14:01 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Shermy
“and sent a suspicious e-mail a few days before the anthrax attacks

I wonder if that's the letter that accused fellow scientist Assad.

26 posted on 08/06/2008 1:15:12 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Shermy
says he warned before the attacks that Bin Laden had anthrax

London shiekh "Captain Hook" who came out quite some time before 9/11 calling for OBL to use anthrax, as I recall.

27 posted on 08/06/2008 1:17:54 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: rhombus

The USPS was involved with the investigation. The USPS was also conducting it’s own investigation.

My guess is he came across the co-worker during the course of the investigation.


28 posted on 08/06/2008 1:19:49 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: piasa
Exactly. The only situations I can think of where the government plea bargains are for relatively minor and unimportant offenses, for turning participants state's evidence against one another like you said, or for when their case is weak and they know it.

I don't believe for a second the feds would cut any deal with a solitary anthrax murderer if they had a strong case.

29 posted on 08/06/2008 1:25:04 PM PDT by jpl ("Present." - Barack Obama)
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To: Shermy

Thanks for the ping Shermy.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2055031/posts?page=172#172


30 posted on 08/06/2008 1:25:23 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: rhombus
According to an affidavit filed by Charles B. Wickersham, a postal inspector, the scientist told an unnamed co-worker "that he had `incredible paranoid, delusional thoughts at times' and 'feared that he might not be able to control his behavior.'"

Huh? Who is this postal worker? How does he know the unnamed co-worker who supposedly told him these things?

Along with the FBI, the Postal Inspection Service also conducted an investigation of the anthrax attacks. Undoubtedly the "unnamed co-worker" was interviewed by the named postal inspector.

31 posted on 08/06/2008 1:38:53 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Shermy

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

He may. or may not, be guilty - his guilt hasn’t legally been proven in an unbiased trial. In fact, no charges were actually filed against him.
It has been 7 years since the event and the Feds would really like to pin this on someone.

Commiting suicide isn’t proof one way or the other.
Did he commit suicide? Why? Because of guilt or because he was paranoid or because the pressure of being under suspicion was too much?
We will never know.

Its much easier to acuse and publically convict a dead man - especially with the assistance of the media.
He won’t be the first man convicted in the media but not in court.

The stories about Ivins character and conduct certainly give rise to suspicions.
But that would be be the case if they were true or exaggerations planted for that purpose.

If the stories of his questionable behavior, unbalanced mental state and suspicious conduct are true why was he employed in such a sensative position? Why was his employment not terminated? Why has it taken 7 years to decide he is guilty?

Especially since much of that 7 years was spent trying to prove Hatfill, not Ivins, was the guilty party and then fighting his claims of innocence.
The Feds were sure it was Hatfill, now they are equally sure it is Ivins - only Ivins can’t can’t deny it as Hatfill did.

Remember Richard Jewell and the Duke Lacrosse team?


32 posted on 08/06/2008 1:44:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: news1st; jpl; shrinkermd; TrebleRebel

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080503747_2.html?sid=ST2008080503796&pos=

“The same week, Ivins angrily told a former colleague that he suspected his therapist was cooperating with the FBI. On March 19, police were called to Ivins’s home and found him unconscious. He was evaluated at Frederick Memorial Hospital.”

That would be in March of this year.

He suspected his “therapist” was cooperating with the FBI months before July, when Duley claimed the threats were made.

If his therapist was cooperating with the FBI, isn’t that a breach of ethics?


33 posted on 08/06/2008 1:59:28 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: Shermy
WOW! Guilty after 8 rs and he's dead. I'll just bet he also shot wn TWA 800, was a Branch Dravidian and the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll!

After they destroyed Jewel and Hatfill reputation, botched defending this country and have demonstrated they are as incompetent keystone cops, believing anything these overpaid morons have to say is going to require a ton of stupidity and even more gullibility!

34 posted on 08/06/2008 2:05:27 PM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: Shermy
Since she isn't a doctor, I guess there's no legal privilege status for anything she discusses with any of her "patients".

But I agree, it's still pretty unethical, and I sure as heck wouldn't want to rely on her discretion!

Of course, with her background I doubt her credibility could survive more than about ten seconds on the witness stand.

35 posted on 08/06/2008 2:18:55 PM PDT by jpl ("Present." - Barack Obama)
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To: muawiyah

Jumbled stories, coming out, but one theme is the preprinted envelopes had a defect consistent only with envelopes from Virginia and Maryland. Probably was not sold at the p.o. where Ivins had his box.


36 posted on 08/06/2008 2:22:30 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: jpl

I wonder who recommended her to him, if he sought a therapist or if it was a condition he had to meet to keep his job.


37 posted on 08/06/2008 2:29:08 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: TrebleRebel

“Powder from anthrax-laden letters sent to the New York Post and Tom Brokaw of NBC contained a bacterial contaminant not found in the anthrax-containing envelopes mailed to Sens. Patrick Leahy or Tom Daschle, the affidavit said.

Investigators concluded that “the contaminant must have been introduced during the production of the Post and Brokaw spores,” the affidavit said.”


The stories keep saying he was the “sole custodian” to mislead the unwary with the idea that means he is the only one who could have accessed it.


38 posted on 08/06/2008 2:36:34 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: Shermy

No, not necessarily. Indeed, if she believed Ivins was dangerous, under the Tarasoff Decision I and II, she would have to notify potential victims.


39 posted on 08/06/2008 2:52:28 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Shermy

At first, I thought I did not know Dr. Ivins. Imagine my shock when I was looking at CNN (in a waiting room; I’d never watch that on purpose) and saw his picture, and realized that he’s the friendly guy who would always say hello when he saw me at work or at the gym.

I will just say that there is nothing really suspicious about working in a lab during non-business hours. Scientific research does not typical fit into a convenient 9 to 5 schedule; researcher’s schedules revolve around experiment time tables, and there is nothing unusual about being in the lab late at night or on weekends.

I am, to use the words of Tom Daschle, deeply saddened. Except that I sincerely mean the words. May God comfort his family.


40 posted on 08/06/2008 2:58:06 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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