Srebrenica
Video link at site.
Posted on 07/23/2008 7:13:37 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
Radovan Karadzic is accused of the most heinous crimes against humanity, from the siege of Sarajevo to the Srebrenica massacre.
He is charged with having the blood of 20,000 lives on his hands and of bringing an entire country down by ethnic hatred.
Today relatives of the thousands of victims said they had been waiting for this moment of justice for 13 years.
Srebrenica
Video link at site.
He’s really just a sweet guy, it was all a big misunderstanding invented by the vast international anti-Serbian conspiracy, and Miladin Kovacevic is a gallant young man.
....old Europe knows that that Islam is rising up again in the East....they also know that the last time this happened Muslims made it all the way to Budapest....that’s why they were content to let Christian Serbs play the role of Horatio-at-the-Bridge....oh they’ll try and hang Karadzic all right, but in the end what’s left of European Christendom will have to get their hands dirty too....as will we....Islam is coming and it will only be stopped by force.
After Trnopolje, which part of this BS are we supposed to go on believing?
The accusers have no credibility.
Another psychiatrist who is actually themselves nuts.
Yup.
Many of the figures used by the Clinton administration and NATO to describe the wartime plight of Albanians in Kosovo now appear greatly exaggerated as allied forces take control of the province ... Instead of 100,000 ethnic Albanian men feared murdered by rampaging Serbs, officials now estimate that about 10,000 were killed. But is the 10,000 number accurate? The Orange County Register, in a Nov. 22, 1999, editorial, said: Months after the bombing has ceased, United Nations and European Union investigations have bolstered what critics had argued: NATO's estimates of Serbian genocide against the Kosovars were greatly overblown. Many observers now think the inflated numbers simply were part of the Clinton-led propaganda effort to build support for the war. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532010/posts
?But Mr. Milosevic, the leader of Serbia at the time, said the people really responsible for the mass killings were French intelligence operatives, Muslim officials from Bosnia and mercenaries.
The ''insane'' Srebrenica massacre, he said, was a plot to frame the Serbs by making it seem as if they had committed genocide. This belief would inspire the world to loathe the Serbs and would give the West a pretext for military intervention, Mr. Milosevic said http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9502E3D61638F93BA1575AC0A9649C8B63>
Ah, the myth that Serbia is a "Christian nation."
Serbia is an atheist nation with a small Christian minority. Although it's true that most Serbs had Christian grandparents.
Months after the bombing has ceased, United Nations and European Union investigations have bolstered what critics had argued: NATO's estimates of Serbian genocide against the Kosovars were greatly overblown
Karadzic is not charged with crimes committed in Kosovo in the late '90s, but crimes committed in Bosnia in the early '90s.
Mr. Milosevic, the leader of Serbia at the time, said the people really responsible for the mass killings were French intelligence operatives, Muslim officials from Bosnia and mercenaries
LOL! And the Masons, and Opus Dei, and the Illuminati, and the Elders of Zion . . .
Heaven knows that Slobodan Milosevic was a man of spotless character who had no motivation to lie! ROTFLMAO!
Go read your Koran.
Nice post from a Marxist site. Do you have any other cool links promoting proletarian revolution?
Don't really have any convincing arguments to support your position, I see.
Horatio massacred women and children? I must have an expurgated edition of Lord Macaulay.
You know people get killed in war.So now you Democrats and Muslims want to try people for killing in a war. That is the joke that you should laugh at you Islamic. Muslims started that war which is part of a lager war Islam/Muslims have been waging against the Serbians since the 12th Century.Read history.
Where are the mass graves of 100,000 “civilian” or any Muslims that the Clinton said the Serbs supposedly murdered?
Yes Clinton and the world Marxist Media lied about that but they are telling the truth about everything else the "evil" Serbs did to the Angelic Albanian Muslims the Serbs were at WAR with.
Muslims have always been the instigators in war and genocide.
ping
http://tinyurl.com/6a4sqx
The law of averages says half of what you see will be suitably right-wing.
The official version of the story requires the reader to believe that somebody operating a death camp would have invited a British television crew in to do a documentary. Kind of like:
"Herr Eichman? We're seeing rumors to the effect that the German government is operating death camps at Auschwicz, Belsen Bergen, Sobibor and a handful of other such sites and would like to send reporters and a film crew over to investigate this and do a documentary for the BBC, and were wondering if you might be so kind as make the necessary arrangements..."
Having a hard time picturing that you say? Try asking yourself why you'd have any easier time believing such a fairytale when Serbia and Bosnian Serbs are involved....
Especially those dangerous toddlers and grandmothers.
So now you Democrats and Muslims want to try people for killing in a war.
Do you understand that there are laws of war? One of them being that you are not allowed to massacre unarmed noncombatants just because you don't like them?
That is the joke that you should laugh at you Islamic. Muslims started that war which is part of a lager war Islam/Muslims have been waging against the Serbians since the 12th Century.Read history.
I see. So the breakup of Yugoslavia was all a Muslim plot.
Is Slovenia a Muslim country? Because, in reading history, I see that Slovenia was the first country to declare its independence from Yugoslavia.
Presumably you believe Croatia, the next country to leave, is also a Muslim nation as well.
Where are the mass graves of 100,000 “civilian” or any Muslims that the Clinton said the Serbs supposedly murdered?
I don't recall any US administration asserting that 100,000 civilians were buried in mass graves. It is an established fact that 17,000 bodies have been pulled from mass graves in Bosnia - including at Crni Vrh. That's one place you might start looking.
Yes Clinton and the world Marxist Media
I see, so the Marxist media misrepresented Slobodan Milosevic.
That's why professed Marxist Alexander Cockburn of Counterpunch is Milosevic's preeminent English-speaking apologist.
That's why Living Marxism was the largest magazine in the UK to campaign against the Bosnian separatists.
Your hero Milosevic, by the way, was the leader of the Serbian League of Communists and the founder of the Serbian Socialist Party. No Marxism there, eh?
everything else the "evil" Serbs did to the Angelic Albanian Muslims the Serbs were at WAR with. Muslims have always been the instigators in war and genocide.
No one has to claim that the Albanians are angels to realize that Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic and their friends and collaborators aren't angels either.
I'll also point out that a third of Albanians aren't Muslims and that as many Albanians attend church on Sundays as Serbians do - even though there are three times as many Serbs as Albanians.
Trnopolje, as filmed by ITN, was not claimed to be a "death camp" by ITN. It was a detention camp where thousands of people were being held against their will without sufficient food or shelter and without being charged with any crime.
The administrators of Trnopolje invited the camera crew to videotape certain portions of the facility to demonstrate that no executions were taking place at the camp, that the people at the camp were not being ill-treated, etc. One ITN cameraman surreptitiously filmed footage that the administrators did not want them to film and ITN put it on the news.
I would point out that the camp administrators - being former Communist apparatchiks under the Yugoslavian regime - did not realize in the early 1990s that the kind of interment situation that Communists thought of as generous and commodious would be considered horrific by American, British, French and Italian TV viewers. They probably believed that the conditions were OK and nothing to be ashamed of.
As soon as the media firestorm following ITN's footage began, the camp was closed down and its inmates relocated.
The magazine Living Marxism later claimed in an article that ITN had invented the whole thing and staged the footage - and they were successfully sued for libel by ITN. All Trnopolje skeptic sites, no matter how they identify themselves ideologically, rely upon the original, libelous Living Marxism article for their arguments and claims.
What was going on a Trnopolje was illegal, immoral and horrible. It cannot be justified.
The world Marxist media AND Democrat President Clinton did say that the Serbs murdered 100,000 Albanians, proof :http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532010/posts
So where are the mass graves of this “genocide” of 100,000.Provide proof.
Muslims killed their own and Albanian Muslims killed Christian Serb Children and Grandmothers and Clinton bombed and killed Serb Christian children and Christian Serb grandmothers. So you want to try Clinton too? What about the U.S. bombings of civilians in Dresden Germany and the nuclear annihilation of 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Want to try Truman too? I don’t for that except I want to try those 2 Marxists Clinton and Truman for trying to impose government healthcare and socialism on the American people . War is hell. There are no rules in war. but the Serbs didn’t commit any genocide and you and your propaganda sites can’t prove that there are mass graves like the media and Clinton said there were because where else are you going to bury 100,000 murdered civilians?
Joeseph Goebbels would not have had the chutzvah to pull such a thing off, that would have been too big a lie even for Goebbels and Hitler.
Other than that, truth is not a defense in English libel suits.
The world Marxist media AND Democrat President Clinton did say that the Serbs murdered 100,000 Muslim Albanians, proof :http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532010/posts
So where are the mass graves of this “genocide” of 100,000.Provide proof. Yes they found a few thousand dead in a war zone that has been raging for hundreds of years. that Is not mass graves nor any proof of SERBS perpetrating a genocide. Many of those dead were Serbian women and Children.So Clinton and the world Marxist/liberal media LIED LIED and LIED again like they always do every second of every day of every year these monsters lie ,proof: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532010/posts
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Muslims killed their own and Albanian Muslims killed Christian Serb Children and Grandmothers and Clinton bombed and killed Serb Christian children and Christian Serb grandmothers. So you want to try Clinton too? What about the U.S. bombings of civilians in Dresden Germany and the nuclear annihilation of 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Want to try Truman too? I don’t for that except I want to try those 2 Marxists Clinton and Truman for trying to impose government healthcare and socialism on the American people . War is hell. There are no rules in war. but the Serbs didn’t commit any genocide and you and your propaganda sites can’t prove that there are mass graves like the media and Clinton said there were because where else are you going to bury 100,000 murdered civilians?
“I don’t think Western civilization has the will to stop it.”
.....I’m with you...I thought 9/11 would galvanize America...I knew we were in trouble several days later when Bush invites an Iman to the memorial service in the National Cathederal.
I agree about proactive action but inviting an Imam to the service wasn’t appeasement. I’m sure Muslims were also killed in the attacks. And not just the hijackers.
Your link provides no substantiated quote of any kind.
Muslims killed their own and Albanian Muslims killed Christian Serb Children and Grandmothers
I'm sure this is true. It doesn't give the Army of the Republika Srpska the right to do the same.
Clinton bombed and killed Serb Christian children and Christian Serb grandmothers
Clinton was not alone in ordering the bombing of Serbian military targets, they were carried out and coordinated by American military personnel.
However, Serbia was warned ahead of time that its military and governmental buildings would be targeted as well as routes of military transportation. No Serb civilian was intentionally killed by US airstrikes - but the people in the mass grave at Crni Vrh who had their throats slit and their brains blown out were deliberately killed.
What about the U.S. bombings of civilians in Dresden Germany
Dresden was also a military target, and the target of the US bombing was not civilians.
and the nuclear annihilation of 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Again these were military targets that were bombed long after the Empire of Japan had been given the opportunity to surrender - an opportunity they rejected.
Want to try Truman too? I don’t for that except I want to try those 2 Marxists Clinton and Truman for trying to impose government healthcare and socialism on the American people .
In America we do not try people for political "crimes."
We do not have show trials or political tribunals.
War is hell. There are no rules in war. but the Serbs didn’t commit any genocide
There are indeed rules of war, which civilized peoples abide by. The forces of the Republika Srpska ignored those rules and adopted barbarism instead.
you and your propaganda sites can’t prove that there are mass graves like the media and Clinton said there were because where else are you going to bury 100,000 murdered civilians?
Generally one buries people in the ground. Which is exactly where 17,000 bodies have been found in Bosnia so far.
While there is plenty of room for 83,000 more, neither I nor the US government are claiming that there are that many more.
In this case, we are "the driver" and "the bloody car accident" are the Bosian war crimes. What we need to do is keep our eyes forward, while still acknowledging the car accident and praying for its victims.
Some of what happened was real, and much was fictionalized to frame a context that made Serbs the fall guys for the war itself. The only way to do that was to dehumanize and demonize "the Serbs" into some unique species of subhuman -- the same way that Goebbels did to Jews (except in this case, it was to project onto them the image of inhuman "Nazis"). It had to be done, otherwise, people would be looking for some real context for how this horrible war between "real humans" happened. But instead, the only "real humans" we are offered in the MSM are Muslims (and some Croats)That, alone, should tell us something if we are listening.
Today, we know that the Golden Chain letter of the original donors to al Qaeda was found in Bosnia and that letter was dated three years before the war between Muslims and Serbs even started. We know Izetbegovic was an Islamist. We know that foreign Mujahaddin were fighting on the Muslim side. We know that we have been subjected to a propaganda campaign by the Muslims and the globalists. We also know that several of the 9/11 hijackers cut their jihadi teeth during the Bosnian war. We know that the attacks on America by al Qaeda began with a year of the Bosnian war (1st Trade Center Bombing).
All roads to this terrorism against us began in Bosnia -- and we opened the door to it. We just forgot tell the Serbs to get the hell out of the way while we chose to commit suicide on their land.
The court's decision on Karadzic is a foregone conclusion, even though it would be like convicting a US president for what some of our soldiers in Iraq chose to do without orders from him . But this is what the Hague was set up to do from the very beginning, convict the easy and expedient political targets and vindicate those who may have done worse but are "our political pawns".
Welcome to the NWO, where there are no rules, no fairness, no morality, no justice and no laws -- only power in a sugar-coated "moral" pill to make it easy to swallow. George Orwell underestimated the insidiousness of it.
For some reason you seem to be mixing up Bosnia with Kosovo.
You can't prove who killed those people. Was it Clinton's bombs, Muslims killing Serbs , or Muslims killing other Muslims to frame Serbs. Muslims kill their own women and children to frame others for “war crimes” and massacres.
Also 17,000 dead for a war zone is very low. see world war 2 and how many civilians and others FDR and Truman killed. At least 50 million dead in world war 2. And Democrat Truman did nuke 100,000 civilians , women and children in Nagasaki. Sorry that bothers you but as Truman's nuking of hundreds of thousands of civilians prove all’s fair in War. there are no rules in war. However the Serbs didn't commit any genocide and your number of 17,000 dead in a war zone is ridiculous and no proof of any mass graves that Clinton and the liberal media said were there. And the Serbs have a right to defend themselves against Muslims and you can't prove Muslims didn't frame them. Muslims started that war and have been at war with the Serbs for 600 years. What's it to you . Go cry for the innocents at Hiroshima then at least that wasn't staged by Muslims like the "serb massacres" were and Like Jenin was and like Haditha was staged by Muslims, MUSLIMS MUSLIMS.
You can't prove who killed those people. Was it Clinton's bombs, Muslims killing Serbs , or Muslims killing other Muslims to frame Serbs. Muslims kill their own women and children to frame others for “war crimes” and massacres.
Also 17,000 dead for a war zone is very low. see world war 2 and how many civilians and others FDR and Truman killed. At least 50 million dead in world war 2. And Democrat Truman did nuke 100,000 civilians , women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sorry that bothers you but as Truman's nuking of hundreds of thousands of civilians proves all’s fair in love and War. there are no rules in war. However the Serbs didn't commit any genocide and your number of 17,000 dead in a war zone is ridiculous and no proof of any mass graves that Clinton and the liberal media said were there. And the Serbs have a right to defend themselves against Muslims and you can't prove Muslims didn't frame them. Muslims started that war and have been at war with the Serbs for 600 years. What's it to you . Go cry for the innocents at Hiroshima then at least that wasn't staged by Muslims like the "serb massacres" were and Like Jenin was and like Haditha was staged by Muslims, MUSLIMS MUSLIMS.
Ignore this guy, wideawake.
Go ignore yourself and read your Koran you propagandist.
I’m a vet of the Bosnian War who fought against the Muslims. Where were you?
Thanks for the ping.
You kill only 20k in Africa and you are considered a Human Rights Leader
There’s no use in crying over dead Muslims.
My aunt and uncle live in Belgrade. Though certainly no fans of having their city bombed, they told me that after realizing how accurate American bombing was, they really didn't have any fear that they would be hit with a bomb.
They were more in fear of Milosevic's goons, since they both worked for opposition groups.
war is hell. There are no rules in war.
So I guess we shouldn't have tried and hanged Nazis at the end of WWII?
but the Serbs didn’t commit any genocide
Serbian paramilitary groups committeed atrocities in Bosnia. There is no rational way to deny that.
of course the photos are photoshopped! I was on that island the same time the good doctor was.....very interesting.
Since you pretend to know your stuff, why you do not say the whole of the truth and nothing but the truth?
It is true that ITN sued successfully, but what was the verdict? Why you ommit it? Let me guess. It shatters your garbage to piecess. Ms. Penny Marshhall of ITN successfully sued LM for libel. Verdict was that LM HURT HER FEELINGS, not that LM lied and printed untruth.
LM was telling the truth and this truth hurt the feelings of Penny Marshall. In other words, the fact that ITN lied was proven in English court.
English libel laws are notorious for alowing lies triumph in court.
Penny Marschall vs. LM is a travesty of justice the same way Liberace case was.
Your Islamofascist/Liberal propaganda is heavy maintenance, if you do not add more new garbage every day, the truth comes out.
This is one of the postulates of the their propaganda.
Remember, it's "8000 men and boys" in Srebrenica and "200 000 poor innocent Bosnian Muslims".
If the same numbers are not repeated consistently 1000 times, people will start asking questions, and when people start asking questions, and start looking up facts, the inconsistencies will show up and the lie will be exposed.
I understand that you are eager to support Islamofascist lies because of your hatred of Serbs as a people. But don't let your temper cloud your task. Proof read all articles and post only ones consistent with the official Islamofascist mantra.
Do you now understand how Croatians felt after being demonized for 50 years re: inflated numbers of Serb dead?
Have you attended his lectures? :-)
No. There is a difference. The number of Ustasha victims was doubled, at most. And Ustashas were Nazis who lost the war.
With Bosnian civil war, story is different. It was four side conflict, where 108 000 people were killed on ALL FOUR SIDES during war. The number of dead combatants and civilians is established by ICTY and Bosnian Muslim government does not deny it, yet they lie about 200 000 muslim civilians killed by Serbs.
This macabre arythmetics augmented TENFOLD the number of actual Muslim civilian casualties.
When we have in mind that Croatian Nazis deliberately diminish the number of Serbs murdered by ustasha also tenfold, we get the picture where the number of murdered Serbs vs. number of murdered Muslims is distorted HUNDRED fold.
The whole lie is intended as an attempt to whitewash the only genocide that occurred in Bosnia, genocide of Serbs, Jews and Roma in Croatian Nazi Independent State of Croatia.
Wrong answer, DTA.
The thrust of LM's article was that Marshall et al misrepresented what they saw:
It was not a prison, and certainly not a 'concentration camp', but a collection center for refugees, many of whom went there seeking safety and could leave again if they wished.
ITN therefore took LM to court where Hume and Deichmann recanted the thesis of their article.
There has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume
I do not say that they at the time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann
In short, Serbs operated concentration camps in Bosnia, Marxists tried to cover their asses by accusing those who reported on those camps of lying, but were ultimately forced to admit that they themselves were the ones who were lying - a complete abject defeat which only the stupid or the ignorant overlook in their attempts to reinsert LM's garbage into public debate.
You still don't get it.
As for the numbers of Serbs killed at Jasenovac, that number was multiplied by a factor of 10 to 30, depending on which source you use.
Reading the rest of your post, it's obvious that you just don't get the point. You wish to demonize Croatians for what they did to Serbs...but when Serbs acted brutally to others, you scream "demonization".
You can't have your cake and it eat too.
Correct hoplite. It’s quite interesting that some will resort to out and out Marxist slander to bolster their weak positions.
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