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To: allmendream
Yep, the Romans were so weak that they conquered the entire Mediterranean world. Greece and Rome were so weak that they were the first to have the idea that absolute rule should not be in the form of one man derived from supreme military power, but instead invented the concept of Democracy and a Republic.

The weakness of Western Civilization is because it came from Greece and Rome. Sure. That is a good one! What culture and government system do you think would be a better one to base Western Civilization upon?

I'm not a "civilizationist" at all (that's for "palaeos" like the "VDaredotCom" crowd). I'm not interested in social utility (the root of all morality and purpose for atheists). I am interested only in the G-d Who created the universe and Who alone is the purpose for everything that exists and Who Alone determines what is right and what is wrong (and apart from Whom those terms are meaningless).

Screw the ancient Greeks and Romans. They worshiped false "gxds" while the Israelites worshiped HaShem who "made Heaven" (ki kol 'elohey ha`ammim 'elilim . . . veHaShem Shamayim `asah!). I can see where a bunch of eighteenth century rationalist Lockeans and Voltaire wanna-bes would swoon over ancient Greece and Rome, though.

I don't know why you don't seem to get it. Everyone else on this board knows, or should, that I am an avowed Noachide Theocrat. I've never hidden that fact, and you act like you're going to "out my big secret." It's never been a secret!

I know you think that law grounded in G-d is scary, but the fact that you have no objections to those same laws when grounded in absolute nothingness shows that you and your fellows are hypocrites.

73 posted on 07/22/2008 10:04:21 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Kol rodefeyha hissiyguha ben hametzarim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
And who gets to interpret God's law and who gets to enforce it? Who gets to rule?

Western Civilization wouldn't be Western Civilization if we had based it upon the Priest Kings of ancient Israel; luckily they based it upon the most successful society that they were familiar with, the Romans; and it seems to have worked out pretty good so far - especially the part about elections for representatives who fulfill a limited government power for a limited time.

And I find tyranny scary, even if the tyrant claims to be ruling by God's law.

74 posted on 07/22/2008 10:11:56 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I am an avowed Noachide Theocrat.

In that case, you would know that non-Jews only have to obey the laws that God gave to Noah. All the other rules in the Bible are only apply to Jews.

80 posted on 07/22/2008 10:51:14 AM PDT by onewhowatches
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