Posted on 07/14/2008 6:31:07 AM PDT by Victory111
Observe that the Lutherans cite government as “an important catalyst in God’s work.” In fact, their agenda implies that government is virtually God’s only instrument. The Lutherans want government to abolish poverty, prohibit war, cleanse the environment, engineer egalitarian justice globally, and seemingly usher in The Millennium through additional regulation and taxation. If government can achieve so much, who needs God, much less the church?
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It is why (I believe) socialists and communist HATE the Bible and Christians. The plain words of the 10 Commandants are in stark contrast to what the socialists want. Virtually all the moral teachings and wisdom of the Bible have their roots in the 10 Commandments. Though these principles are more than 3000 years old, they still define the basis for a well-functioning society. And that is why the socialists/communists must destroy the Bible in order to institute their own version of society.
I. “You shall have no other gods before me. ** NOT THE STATE, NOT MAN, NOT “GREAT” LEADERS.
II. “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments. ** NOT THE STATE. MAN IS NOT GOD. THE STATE IS NOT GOD
III. “You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. ** LOOK AT HOW THE LEFT MOCKS CHRISTIANS - THEY MUST IN ORDER TO DESTROY IT
IV. “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. ** YOU DO NOT WORK FOR THE STATE, IT IS GOD'S BLESSINGS
V. “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you. ** SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM IS BASED ON DESTROYING THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY - THE STATE IS YOUR FAMILY
VI. “You shall not murder. ** COMMUNISM PROMOTES ABORTION. COMMINISM KILLS ANYONE WHO DOES NOT GIVE IN OR RESISTS. COMMUNISM IS BASED ON THE FEAR OF DEATH
VII. “You shall not commit adultery. ** Socialists and Marxist promote adultery in its effort to destroy the family. Without the family, the individual must look to the state for financial and emotional support.
VIII. “You shall not steal. ** SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM IS ENTIRELY BASED ON STEALING. MARX SAID “THERE IS NO PRIVATE PROPERTY IN COMMUNISM.” STEALING THE WEALTH OF SOME AND GIVING TO OTHERS AS A POLITICIAN SEES FIT IS THE BASIS OF SOCIALISM
IX. “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor ** COMMUNISM IS BASED ON LIES. THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR OF THE PRESS. YOU WILL SAY WHAT THE STATE WANTS YOU TO SAY - TRUTH OR LIES.
X. “You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” ** THE BASIS OF SOCIALISM IS THE COVETING OF WHAT OTHERS HAVE AND HAVING THE GOVERNMENT REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH. IT IS THE BASIS OF CLASS WARFARE.
If you follow the Bible you can NOT be a Socialist or Communist. And today, the Democrats in Americas are practically socialists. And no twisting of the words of the 10 Commandments can change that.
Leftists will take over the Christian denominations, if given a chance.
Liberals are for abortion, so no.
Not all of them, as long as we stand firm on doctrine. I am a LUtheran, but belong to one of the 2 or 3 synods that has not embraced this madness. However, when I tell people I am a Lutheran, I always feel I need to add the explanation that I am not the kind of LUtheran that represents the mainstream of my once great denomination. How sad...
Maranatha
> the Lutherans cite government as “an important catalyst
> in God’s work.”
Yes, it was the Roman government that executed Jesus. Without His death on the cross, we would all remain condemned.
It was the Roman hegemony that persecuted the Reformers in the most inhuman ways imaginable.
However, the blood and ashes of these martyrs only served to spread the Reformation.
God’s work will be done, with you or without you, because of you or in spite of you.
You get to chose which side you are on.
Historically, governments have NOT been on the Lord’s side, and His will has to be accomplished in SPITE of them.
Yes
What synod of Lutherans are you referring to here?
Nevermind my first question. I see that its the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Yes, that synod is pretty liberal. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod is very conservative and in my extensive time in the synod, I have never heard a political endorsement of anykind.
The ELCA is the liberal version of the Lutheran Church; the Missouri Synod Lutheran is more conservative, although it is drifting leftward. Mark Tooley, the author, is an evangelical United Methodist; check him out at UMAction or "IRD."
Exactly why Commies suppress religion - they want to usurp the mantle of God.
Like Mark Tooley, I am an evangelical United Methodist. I make disclaimers similar to yours.
God could not be a liberal democrat because He would have a 0% rating from NARAL.
The real disgusting thing is the lefty churches have gotton away with screaming separation of church and state and they want the state to be the church. How deceived people are. They are the ones who think they can bring Heaven to earth and Gods rule not the Conservative apocolyptic writers.. Sickening. They are backed by the MSM totally. No one ever brings up their use of governemt as religon. NEVER.
God is not a Liberal Democrat...... nor an advocate of any OTHER political party devised by man.
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. Isaiah 55 vs 8”
However, it is true that most liberal Democrats loathe the Ten Commandments, as this statement of what is righteous in God’s eyes clearly tells mankind that there is a right way to live and believe .... and a wrong way. We don’t get to chose what that ‘right’ way is. It has already been defined. The liberal democrat’s rebellious little souls resent this fact...”Who is God to tell righteous ME........”
No, when Christ returns.... and He will in HIS own time, a true Theocracy will be established on this sorry planet. Unfortunately, man and man’s ‘ways’ of doing things are gonna cause a whole lot more grief and pain on the world and its peoples before it’s all over.
Those of us who accept and believe God, and recognize His authority, will have a far easier time. Our past blessings as a nation were the direct result of the fact that, at one time, the vast majority of our population knew this. It seems to me that a majority of those who still know this truth are clustered in the Republican Party, especially the more conservative side of it. (I do believe that there are ‘moral’ folks scattered elsewhere, just not in the same numbers.) As a people, we have fallen so far, just in my own lifetime. Such a tragedy for us all.
All the above is my own, humble, point of view. :>)
pattyjo
I detest these asinine politcal questions about God.
God is God.
Period.
Not Democrat Republican liberal conservative green and on and on.............
His WORD is known. The TRUTH is known. Groups in various Churches can have all the agendas they want to legitamize gays, gay marriage, green political agendas etc.
You either except the WORD and Believe or you do not.
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