One heart attack, as requested.
Posted on 07/08/2008 11:08:43 PM PDT by cdchik123
WASHINGTON: Senator John McCain told a major Hispanic group here Tuesday that he remained committed to passing the kind of immigration legislation that angered many Republican voters last year, but he underscored that he intended to first secure U.S. borders.
Speaking to the convention of the League of United Latin American Citizens, McCain noted his efforts to pass comprehensive immigration legislation, which was supported by President George W. Bush and such Democrats as Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts but which fell apart last year after an angry grass-roots movement that viewed it as tantamount to amnesty rose up to oppose its passage.
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McShamnesty is a turd.
I think JUan would see the same grass roots movement, if he tries to sneak amnesty in again.. I really try and want to support this guy.... but he is making it difficult to say the least... next week he is in san diego eating tacos with LaRaza, a racist group.. check out their web site..
Voting for this guy is going to be an epic struggle. In my precinct we will be going back to optical scan (this is Palm Beach County - touch screens were not acceptable here!) devices and I think taking the pencil and drawing the dark line next to McCain’s name is going to leave me drenched in sweat.
How long until the McCain fanboys come to this thread in defense of their traitorous hero?
McCain does not deserve my vote, nor will he receive it.
In other words, he is against the will of the People. And he is a total liar on securing the borders. What else is new?
A vote for Obama is a 90% loser, a vote for McStain is a 75% loser.
What am I supposed to do?
I guess I'll vote for the 75% LOSER, as I puke....
The problem is, every Democrat will be for it. McCain won’t need one Republican vote to pass his bill. And on top of that, many Republicans will vote to support his bill.
Folks flatter themselves that they staved off the immigration bill last year. The truth is, McCain/Kennedy had all the votes it needed, McCain just didn’t want to push it with the election coming up the next year.
McCain will make sure every illegal in this nation is naturalized within three to five years. And when they are naturalized, there goes the chain migration.
We stand to gain 100 million new citizens within ten to twelve years. Poor, unable to speak read or write English, unable to support themselves... good luck citizens.
I don’t think Obama would get every thing he wants passed.
I think McCain would. And that’s where your 75% to 90% loser thing falls appart.
Who passes leftist policy easier, Obama or McCain?
Obama has the House and Senate Republicans to deal with.
McCain has them in his hip pocket, and the Democrats would support any leftist policy he lofted.
I still say McCain is the serious guy to fear. If he wins, there will be one party rule. It will be 75 to 90% for anything leftist John McCain submits to the House and Senate.
Can we just skip this election and move on to 2012?
The jerk just does not get it.
John, I hate, absolutely /hate/ that you’re continuing to pander over an issue that most every /citizen/ of these United States thinks should be handled by deportation. But, as much as I hate it, as much as I didn’t want you to be our nominee because of this issue and many others, the one thing you’re not is a flip-flopper. We knew where you stood, you still stand there, you moron, but you’re at least...consistent.
I don't know where you get that, and if I knew how to post it, I would throw you a bunny with a pancake on its head.
If someone were to stand right outside a polling place with a sign that read "FREE CLOTHESPINS" along with a bucket containing them, but neither said nor asked anything about any candidate, would that be considered "electioneering"?
Clinton 1993-1994 would be a good point of reference.
do tell
the other choice would be?
“We knew where you stood, you still stand there, you moron, but you’re at least...consistent.”
We need this moron like we need a heart arrack. (or a stroke)
“We knew where you stood, you still stand there, you moron, but you’re at least...consistent.”
Consistent is not a good thing when it comes to McCain. I’d much rather have a politician who is willing to learn from past mistakes or who is willing to listen to the people than a hard-left leaning but consistent Republican. Actually, I’d just call the latter stubborn.
One heart attack, as requested.
I think the best we can do is go to the polls and vote straight GOP for congress. McCain isn’t even going to try to get the support of the base...therefore he will lose.
Hey, don’t put words in my mouth...
I do however believe that in the long (even medium) term, we would be better off letting the damnocrats screw things up than electing a republican to do it.
If the legislation does not come as one piece but rather as two pieces. Such that first comes border protection and then later comes the amnesty only legislation—then I think that conservatives can get behind McCain because with the understanding that they will support him wholeheartedly on the first piece of legislation and fight him tooth and claw on the second piece of legislation. It should be understood that the second piece of legislation—the amnesty alone legislation is much weaker legislation than border security plus amnesty legislation.
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS S.O.B.
I HAVE MADE A PROMISE TO MYSELF THAT I WILL NO LONGER VOTE FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. I HAVE DONE THAT FOR FAR TOO MANY YEARS.
Oh, well, yeah, I see where you're coming from there, but then I look at this picture and I wonder which ones would step down in moments after Obama was elected, and who Pelosi and Kennedy will push forward. Let's see... A Latina La Raza activist, an ACLU Civil Rights Attorney, and, oh, maybe something fun like a politician.
If we had the senate locked up, I'd actually be willing to give it a go. But we don't.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
I must disagree with you severely on that, FRiend.
GWB was ‘our’ guy and do you remember the fight we put up? ...it ain’t over. It’s not the end.
It’s merely the end of the beginning.
It’s just Round 2 with a new pitcher.
We would indeed get nasty fastballs from McCain—worse yet, we’d get that PLUS nothing but mere spitwads for our military to fight with, with Obama.
America is just waking up. Late indeed. But most definitely awake.
If I understand correctly, even Executive Orders must be ratified by Congress.
And meanwhile, it ain’t over until it’s over. And it’s a long way from over, I pray, by the grace of God.
Pray and pass it on!
So what is the alternative?
Obama for FOUR years???
D or R, You're the chump!
“I do however believe that in the long (even medium) term, we would be better off letting the damnocrats screw things up than electing a republican to do it.”
BTTT.....can’t say it enough!!!
What amazes me, is that there is such a supply of elitists, arrogant, no real world accomplishment elected officials, that they throw one up every four years for the American people to knock down.
Just this year, they offered us giants like Biden, Dodd, Gravel. Four years ago, they gave us John F. Kerry, but don't forget Howard Dean, Weasley Clark. Before that we got algore and before that I can't forget Dukakis, Mondale, Jimmah Carter, Gary Hart. I don't put Bill Clinton, Bill Richardson or Paul Tsongas in this category.
And why don't Republicans bring up the Democrats long, long history of support for HIGHER gas prices. I remember Paul Tax on gas. I remember that algore and Clinton supported a 50 cent a gallon tax and supported a "BTU" tax, which would raise gas prices.
LULAC supports MECHA which supports the Reconquest of the American southwest.
I have two stickers for our cars. One is NOBAMA 08. The other is the (to paraphrase a bit) McCain - ...I guess, ...if I have to.
That about sums up 2008.
Obama has already stated full citizenship or amnesty to 12 million illegal;s which secures their vote in the Dems party.
If true citizenship is denied under McCain's plan, even though the illegals can stay, it would be better than giving illegals voting rights.
and certainly not imbued with any love or respect for America or it's great history, nor have any care whatsoever about the stunning achievements of Western Civilization and the pride and dignity of it's great culture.
More than America is about to go down the drain, and someday people may well ponder how America and Western Civilization fell apart in much the same way that modern historians look back at Rome and debate how its passed away
but hey, the democrats will move into power forever...
Truth is, even if McCain's plan does not grant voting rights, the Dem Congress will see to it that voting rights are granted at lightning speed.
Hmmm...which globalist, elitist, multi-millonaire corporate shill to vote for? Decisions, decisions.
“BTTT.....can’t say it enough!!!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>............
ABM- they will scare us to death with the truly evil
OBUMA, but this time I cannot vote for McCain..the list is as long as your arm on why..those of us on FR know the list by heart.
McLame wants to let every Unwashed uneducated spanish speaking p.o.s. in to the U.S. where they get gobs of welfare.
And ya wonder why I don’t like McLame?
What a decision to make in November.
I’m coming to the conclusion that the idiot multiculturalists and globalists believe that the chaos they’re unleashing won’t affect them and that their gated communities and rent-a-cops will protect them.
As they’re shot, hanged or beheaded, depending upon which collectivist group gets to them first, they’ll be shouting: “What did I do wrong? I’m your comrade, amigo.” And they still won’t get it.
At least with the alternative the GOP is saved. With McCain the Republican Party becomes Marxist lite. I shudder to think what the GOP would look like after McCain’s “Cultural Revolution” within the GOP.
At some point, things will break down. You can't have 20 percent of the population working to support themselves and the other 80 percent without some seriously messed up measures.
Has anyone explained to Juan how much our “greenhouse gas” emissions would drop if we deported the 30 million illegal Mexicans? He’s worried about “global warming” don’t ya know?
GOD, and I thought Jiimmy Carter was a dumbass.
Is the Party willing to save itself from suicide and the country from homicide or is that too much to ask?
The remaining components of comprehensive are what the issue will be. You need to look at those.
Guestworkers. Look to 2007 and the Dorgan/Union amendment to sunset the guest worker program that passed and killed the first bill in 2007. The union doesn't want guest workers because they are difficult to organize.They want to minimize the number guestworkers/temporary visas and maximize permanent visas. The union also wants an inside track to organize H1B workers.
Enforcement. Border enforcement, internal enforcement, and workplace enforcement. Again, look to 2007 and the second bill. There was the Baucus-Tester amendment #1236 to prevent linking Real ID to employee verification. The Gang of 12 tried and failed to table this amendment but before it could get a vote, another bill killer(poison pill) passed. This was the Grassley-Baucus-Obama amendment #1441 to block merging of the SS and DHA databases and also would block employee verification altogether. Keep in mind that Illinois(Obama's state), passed a law that prevents any employer from using fedgov's employee verification. Also keep in mind that Real ID has been delayed, so any bill that depends on Real ID for enforcement will be delayed.
So, whether McCain or Obama wins, will make a difference in what comprehensive bill emerges. But, the congressional elections will be more important.
If Obama wins, and the dems expand their control of Congress significantly, they will abandon the McCain-Kennedy compromise and the AgJobs compromise. Dorgan(or Durbin) will replace Kennedy as the dem's lead negotiator. The 2009 Immigration Bill will be very different.
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