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Serbs shrug off Binghamton bar attack, and still rant at U.S. for '99 bombing
nydailynews.com ^ | July 5th 2008 | RICH SCHAPIRO

Posted on 07/06/2008 1:08:11 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: eleni121; Tailgunner Joe
"The family definitely did the right thing getting their son out of that corrupt NY town. Given that so many people in NYS are imprisoned wrongly I would have done the same thing. The truth will eventually come out and will prove Kovacevic innocent."

I respectfully disagree, Eleni. Running always makes someone seem guilty even if they are not, and the embassy decision to help Kovacevic escape was totally absurd and counterproductive.

I don't know whether Kovacevic is guilty or not. What I do know is that the NY Daily news has already tried and convicted him in the press, in spite of the fact that TWO OTHER PEOPLE, not just Kovacevic, were arrested for the same crime. Yet all the NY Daily News has focused on is "Serbian thug", "Serbian brute", the size differential between the Steinhauer and Kovacevic, etc, which is wholly irresponsible on their part. They have also incited the kind of political grandstanding by Shummer that is just downright embarrassing, given that we haven't even issued a formal request for Kovacevic's extradition!

This whole situation has been so totally screwed up by incompetence by so many, including the Serbian embassy, the media, and our politicians, that now I have grave doubts that the kid can ever get a fair trial here.

Kovacevic is not the first person to escape to a foreign country to avoid prosecution. But he is perhaps the first case where we have indicted an entire country for the acts of a defendant who escaped and embassy workers who were obvious screw-ups, even though the embassy workers who helped Kovacevic escape were fired immediately by the Serbian government. I can't defend Kovacevic running or the acts of the embassy workers -- I think that they were all dead-wrong to do what they did. But I also think that both the media and US politicians are turning this whole thing into three-ring circus of incompetence and stupidity -- and the more that they do, the more reasons they are giving Kovacevic and Serbia to assume that he has zero chance of getting a fair trial here now if he ever had one to begin with.

141 posted on 07/09/2008 7:09:38 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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2 years + gap.


142 posted on 07/10/2008 11:38:36 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: TigersEye
>>>>>>This girl is hardly alone. Young women these days advertise themselves as free meat so at some point they should expect to be treated like free meat.<<<<<<

I hope not. This sounds exactly like Islamic position on women. On my lunch break I pass a jewelry store with many tempting things I desire. Yet, I do not break window and grab it.

143 posted on 07/11/2008 7:27:33 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
Give me a break! With the type of campus parties, spring break parties, "Girls Gone Wild" videos and now "Guys Gone Wild" videos that the girls buy, MySpace bare it all pages and tons of internet videos of young women stripping and tens of thousands of them doing pay-to-strip web cams?

A more fitting analogy would be that the jewelry store decorates a Christmas tree with jewelry outside the store and leaves it there over night.

144 posted on 07/11/2008 11:09:46 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: TigersEye
When you walk through the farmer's market, you can not freely take figs, melons, plums and peaches although everything is on display, smells provocativelly and sits there just to be taken. What you wrote and what Aussie Sheik Taj El Dene actually said has uncanny resemblance. Here is what he said: Quote: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" "The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

The fact that young woman does suggestive sexual act on internet (this is fiction, like tv) does not give a right to wimpy student to grab her posterior in real life.

Do you only defend the perp of this particular sexual assaults as being not responsible or you apply it to any sex offender in general?

What is sickening in this case is how American congressmen and Hitlery Clinton abuse the power given to them by the voters.

Serbian constitution does not allow extradition, but Serbian law allows trial for crimes committed abroad. A criminal case should be brought against Kovacevic in Serbian court, with all evidence, to trial him in Serbia.

145 posted on 07/11/2008 1:24:34 PM PDT by DTA
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When you walk through the farmer's market, you can not freely take figs, melons, plums and peaches although everything is on display, smells provocativelly and sits there just to be taken.

When you go to a farmer's market the vendors are sitting with their wares. The fact that it's a market implies that things are for sale not free for the taking.

Quote: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?"

As far as that analogy goes what is your answer? Mine is that it's not the cat's fault or the meat's fault. It is the fault of whoever left the meat there unprotected.

"The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

That part of the quote is a leap of logic into irrationality. It bears no comparison the what I have said.

The fact that young woman does suggestive sexual act on internet (this is fiction, like tv) does not give a right to wimpy student to grab her posterior in real life.

First of all you ignored several other examples I gave. That was necessary for you to make your point seem reasonable. Secondly you ignore the specifics regarding this particular young woman in the article.

Kovacevic’s co-defendants and their pals insisted there was no trouble until Steinhauer grabbed the buttocks of the sexy sophomore, whose Facebook profile is adorned with dozens of provocative pictures - including one of her holding a penis-shaped cake and a condom.

So this young woman has put herself out to the public as open to lewd come ons. She advertised herself to the world with her own lewd come on. Does that excuse the guy? No. Do you have any more common sense than she does and think that every one in the world is decent, sane and moral? It has become very common for young women to act like that and it sends a signal to men who are not decent, sane or moral.

What is sickening in this case is how American congressmen and Hitlery Clinton abuse the power given to them by the voters.

What does that have to do with the story? I don't get the connection to Hillary Clinton or American congressmen. As for Serbian law and constitution I don't give a rat's tuckus about it or what they do or do not do with this guy. He sounds like an animal. Good riddance to him.

146 posted on 07/11/2008 1:52:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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There was a fight/Serbian guy was tougher/what’s the big deal?
Case is closed then? Let’s break this down: 1)Fight; 2)Serbian dude tougher; 3) Big deal?...Well, not so fast here...
1)The fight involved a tiny dude vs. a ridiculously huge dude (6-foot-9, 280 pounds)...2)Tougher? It was murder, only little dude doesn’t realize this yet since he’s been in a coma for nearly 2 months, 3)Big deal? Wouldn’t be if big dude hung around so we could practice a quaint, old American custom. We like to call it justice. But big dude - whose story is sorta: Well, I defended my baby’s honor, most especially after this intimidating little dude (who weighed 140 pounds. Serb dude who put him in a coma was 6-foot-9, 280 pounds) attacked us (I was scared to death he’d kill us all, big dude said of little dude!).
Well, Serbian officials helped big dude raise bail and then, since his passport was confiscated - normal in any felony case, especially involving such massive violence that little dude is still comatose more than a month later! - issued him a special emergency passport so he could split the U.S.

Have It Both Ways In Today’s U.S.A.: When You Deem Things Fair, On the Square, We’re There! But When Things Ain’t So Hot: Like Dude, We Got Your Butt, You Just Won Life In The Tank, Hank! But Wait: You Ain’t A Yank! So Just Call The Damn Bank! Sure Your Morning Was Dank But What A Difference A Day Makes: From A Bar Fight To A Night Behind Bars To A Bar-B-Q Down Under: Not Only Did You Knock A Homa, You Also Put Some Tiny Dude In A Coma...Whew! Now Go Out Sell Those Film Rights!!!


147 posted on 07/20/2008 6:25:33 AM PDT by Paco Plato
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