Posted on 07/03/2008 7:27:22 PM PDT by jazusamo
I was going to ping you, glad I read all of the posts. ;)
Pigs are flying over a frozen hell ~ ain’t it great!!
Met Mark Rey last year. Unbelievably hard worker. I guess it only took a few Bush appointments (judge Smith)to show the 9th the error of it’s ways!
Thanks for posting this article ~ I emailed it to many people in the US and New Zealand. ;)
It’s great to read something positive when inundated daily by reports of our political march toward Marxism!!
Yeah, well there you go. These two have been stinking up the California judicial and political landscape for decades.
Yeah, I’m stunned. With that 2nd amend decision and then this, well I guess there’s always a bright side....takes some diggin’ to find it sometimes! LOL
I recently attended a presentation with Gary Nakamura of UCE Davis, Carl Skinner of the SW reearch station (Blacks Mtn. Experimental Station) and Dr. P.J. Daugherty, an Ecological Economist. The topic was the irrationality of a public policy that selects fire suppression over fuels management. The skies were brown with carbon emmissions from the Siskiyou Complex fires - an old growth area where management was halted by environmental suits.
The average costs of fire sppression from 1995-2004 were about $662/acre. from 1993-2002 an average of 443,307 acres burned. It costs more to reduce fuel up front, but maintenance costs over the years are much less. The costs of fires are every year.
Varying on terrain, the cost of different fuel treatments run $100-$300/acre for prescribed burns. Mechanical mastication is $300-500/acre. Manual treatment is $500-2400, but can be offset from $0-$400 for the value of biomass (plus potential carbon credits.) This does not included unvaluated benefits to wildlife, water quality, recreation and cultural and historic resources of not having the forest burn down.
The problem in Northern CA is that the litigious climate has added $200/acre in environmental review process costs - tipping the balance toward humongous fires.
Count our blessings!!
Yep. Like Aunt Sally said. Harder some days than others, huh?
Good news and thanks for the ping.
Hey, Marsh2, Happy Fourth of July.
Hope you are staying out of the smoke. I’m not goin’ out there today.
How much is this decision going to help us in reality do you think?
Thanks much for this info, marsh2.
Hopefully this ruling and future ones that are bound to be made will help reduce the costs of the environmental review process by bringing an end to the frivolous and repetitious suits filed.
thanks for the warning! How do you think the million dollar homes fair?
I put my flag out. I am torn about going out. It is smokey but a heck of a lot cooler than it is going to be later this weekend and I have gardening to do.
” ...it only took a few Bush appointments ... “
Amen to that .... don’t even want to think of what Obama’s appointees would rule like.
Well I’ve only seen pics but they seem to use a lot of larger logs which to me would mean even larger holes for things to crawl through. The idea of building with whole logs was started way back when saws were not yet in the far reaches of civilization and where logs were plentiful. As soon as some guy showed up with a big saw (rotary or band) no more log homes went up. Also you might notice there are few old log homes extant. That’s because they dissolved into the ground. It’s not a sensible construction practice. Log beams make sense but not for walls.
I saw a huge room once with like 30 inch log beams set parallel to each other and about ten feet apart and then apx 10” logs laid tight in between crosswise in a herringbone pattern. Both beams and cross members had the bark still on them. It was impressive but it rained bits and pieces of stuff all the time. Especially when the wind blew.
Build a nice stick frame house, plywood all the exterior, sinsulate the bejeebers out of it and rock the exterior. You will be happier in the long run and your resale will be top notch.
Aunt Sally knows. ;)
Well... BFD!!! It's way too late for mills like Michigan-Cal and Wetzel-Oviatt in El Dorado County!!!
The only one this is gonna help is the lone surviver of the war on CA's timber, the largest land owner in CA, Red Emmerson!!!
The huge mill in Jackson in Amador County is gone and now they're serving Jamba Juice and sellin guitars there!!!
The mills all the way up Highway 101 to your beautiful Eureka are closed... IT'S TOO LATE!!! The (BLEEPIN) damage is done!!! The lives of good Americans have already been ruined and most of the population of northern CA counties is on (BLEEPIN) WELFARE!!!
Now being a timber faller is among the undignified "jobs Americans won't do" because that can't afford the damned risk!!! Would any of you people reading this thread invest in a sawmill? Even with this belated and thereby ridiculous decision???
"Damage"???
When are you going to accept that the system worked exactly as intended?
I cannot accept this "change" as a good thing as it has also mixed up an obvious belief system in control of our government as serious as it was prior to the American revolution we celebrated today!!!
As tubebender says... When pigs fly, that's when I will accept such a travesty!!!
If it was a good thing, I could accept it in a New York minute!!!
It simply doesn't qualify as a good thing and even these ignorant, arrogant lawyers in robes are belatedly coming around to that fact after a productive culture of timber harvesting and forest management have been literally wiped out!!!
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