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Ways to achieve energy independence (Barf Alert!)
Sun-Sentinel ^ | July 2, 2008 | Ron Klein

Posted on 07/02/2008 8:40:26 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77

This year, we have an obligation to stand together behind a new declaration — a declaration of energy independence. We, as a nation, face an energy crisis, and I know that if we harness the same American ingenuity and commitment this country was founded on, we can solve this crisis.

We have two responsibilities: Bring down gas prices in the short term and break our national addiction to oil in the long term. Moving toward clean, affordable alternative energy will strengthen our national security, revive our economy and preserve our environment, and the time is now.

I announced a plan to declare our energy independence with five practical solutions. They are:

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: energy; energyindependence; klein; oil; ron; ronklein
This guy really thinks we're dumb. But good news: He's running against LtC. Allen West and Klein is going to lose..... thanx to the support from so many FReepers and conservatives around the country!!
1 posted on 07/02/2008 8:40:27 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Fox_Mulder77

they just blocked a coal-fired today in georgia,the global-warming crowd is playing to win,,even if we all lose!We need to be drilling,mining and stop trying to make alt. energy into something it isn’t,,it isn’t going to add any big net of energy savings,till maybe, they decrease the population down to about 20 million or so.Someday someone will make some practical,cost effective way to produce energy,,but not for awhile.there’s plenty of coal and oil ,but God forbid,we ever get it!Let’s all live in some drug-induced utopia of the far left as we watch America decay into a heap!I am not promoting an idea,here,I’m just showing you the future,if we don’t wake up and for those who are awake and got stuck with mcnutty,keep fighting,someone will come along,that is a true blue American and actually be a politician,too.


2 posted on 07/02/2008 9:34:36 PM PDT by coalman (type to slow to be relevant,but I try)
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To: Fox_Mulder77
"This guy really thinks we're dumb."

The problem is too many in This U.S. Republic prove him right. Buttholes like him will continue holding power until enough people get their heads out of their nether regions.

3 posted on 07/02/2008 9:50:23 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Fox_Mulder77

If government is going to pass more energy taxes to punish us for using energy, I propose to force government to lead by example, and have people ready to call or get their conservative reps behind the following proposals:

1. All government employees MUST carpool. No more government vehicles for personal use as well.

2. The only possible ways government will help govt employees transportation is paying for public bus passes.

3. If government employees have to go to another building for meetings, they must either carpool with 1 or more people, and if they are the only one, walk, bicycle or take a bus to the other building.

4. Air conditioning, being a luxury and a huge energy user, will be removed and banned from ALL government buildings. Desk or floor fans (one per desk) can be used instead.

5. In wintertime, thermostats in all government buildings will not be set above 65 degrees. Employees can wear extra clothing like the rest of citizens.

6. Lights in major hallways and large areas will be turned off at 5 pm. One desk lamp per desk will be provided to do tasks if govt employees need to stay later.

Let government lead by example. If they want to make us hurt and punish us, make them do the same things we will have to do, or force them to reject it and be shown as the hypocrites they are.

Ba$tard$.


4 posted on 07/02/2008 9:50:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
One desk lamp per desk will be provided to do tasks if govt employees need to stay later.

That will apply to about 5 people.

5 posted on 07/02/2008 9:57:38 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: coalman
Harry Reid and his ilk say even if we start drilling and mining, they do leave the coal mining part out, it will take years to produce results. The question they need to be asked is how long the technology they espouse(does not exist yet) will take.

By the way if we start mining coal drilling for oil and build new power plants and refineries it won't take ten years to produce results. Wind Mills and solar plants have been around for quite some time and have not produced significant results.

6 posted on 07/02/2008 10:03:36 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"Let government lead by example. If they want to make us hurt and punish us, make them do the same things we will have to do, or force them to reject it and be shown as the hypocrites they are."

That's not going to happen unless We The People force it. The sad part is most of We The People are in a fog.

P.S. I love your tagline.

7 posted on 07/02/2008 10:09:55 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: coalman
let's see here, we have been trying to come up with alternate sources since peanut's term, and it's not here yet, how are we supposed to bridge the gap until it comes on line?

And when has an oil company ever been found guilty of "gouging"?

8 posted on 07/02/2008 10:13:23 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (The devil made me do it!,.......................................................( well, not really.)
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To: Fox_Mulder77
...our national addiction to oil ...

Oops! Author just blew his credibility. Rest of article goes in cyber dumpster.

9 posted on 07/02/2008 10:17:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: Not now, Not ever!
"let's see here, we have been trying to come up with alternate sources since peanut's term, and it's not here yet, how are we supposed to bridge the gap until it comes on line?"

The dirty little secret is we are not supposed to. We are expected to rely on Uncle Sugar and take whatever crap he tells us to. I actually heard some moron on a radio show say we should ride a bicycle to buy groceries. The hour is later than you think.

10 posted on 07/02/2008 10:21:48 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: TigersEye
...our national addiction to oil ...

I guess that means we are also addicted to breathing. Hell, we all do it. Maybe we should stop. I am addicted to breathing, staying warm and not riding a bicycle to work or to shop. But that's just me.

11 posted on 07/02/2008 10:37:09 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223
Liberals say stop using oil and start using ???.

What a brilliant plan.

12 posted on 07/02/2008 11:01:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: Fox_Mulder77

What would happen if some oil companies called the Democrat’s “use it or lose it” bluff, say by offering to exchange some of those “68 million acres” of land for offshore drilling rights?


13 posted on 07/03/2008 12:06:38 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: TigersEye
I drive 175 miles round trip to my job every day. My 2003 Grand Am gets 30 mpg on the highway in the summer.

I have access to free electricity at work. We make our own, and have to dump about 5 gig into a load bank.

The best electric cars would run out of battery long before I get home, especially in winter.

It would take me a long time to recover the cost of a hybrid, if ever. I even looked at hydrogen. I thought about generating it using the free electricity. It would take an enormous investment in equipment and storage tanks to get me home, let alone back to work. That is, if (and it is a big IF) my employer would go along with it.

After all that, I decided my best answer was gasoline. I only have about 2 years left to retirement. I just did not want to go broke on the way...

14 posted on 07/03/2008 1:33:04 AM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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To: coalman

Blocked a coal fired power plant with legislation from the bench and in other news put a moratorium on solar to study environmental impact for 2 years.


15 posted on 07/03/2008 1:52:19 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
What would happen if some oil companies called the Democrat’s “use it or lose it” bluff, say by offering to exchange some of those “68 million acres” of land for offshore drilling rights?

That happened in the most recent hearings..... all the oil execs begged congress to let them swap the leases out for offshore drilling rights and leases...... of course the Dems answer was no, no, no.

16 posted on 07/03/2008 5:36:10 AM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Fox_Mulder77

That message has got to get out, somehow.


17 posted on 07/03/2008 9:28:49 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: snowtigger
I really applaud your efforts to reduce energy use and attempt to use the cleanest fuels possible. I think it is illustrative of a larger economic/industrial truth that personal economy was one of your biggest motivators. Good intentions have to meet with practical realities and strike a balance that doesn't injure the actor while trying to improve the act.

It would take me a long time to recover the cost of a hybrid, if ever.

For years I faced the same economic calculation regarding my vehicle. I have a '59 Chevy Apache truck with a very heavy utility box on it. It gets 8-10 mpg which was expensive even when gas was $1.54 per gal. But given what it could carry and where it could carry it I considered that a good economic trade off. It was also old so it required maintenance replacement of various parts from time to time. But when I considered an average of $150-$200 per year for an alternator, wheel bearings, brake work, etc., vs $6,000 or better to buy a newer used truck with equivalent capacity and ability and better mileage it was apparent that I could buy years of gas and maintenance for the '59 before breaking even. With no guarantee that the newer used truck wouldn't have mechanical failures. If I could have even considered a new truck the break even point would have even been longer even though reliability would have been better to start with.

That is a rather different calculation than you are looking at but there is a similar underlying cost-benefit ratio that weighs heavily on the final decision. When you transfer that thought process to the national scale I have to wonder what the cost would be for our nation to abandon petroleum, which is abundant, efficient and has complete infrastructure in place for use now.

I even question the environmental cost/benefit of switching to a new technology which will require a lot of new infrastructure. Particularly since it is not clear what that replacement would be. Experimenting with several replacement possibilities makes me think of the competition in electronics technology. Will we have junkyards full of left behind tech like Betamax and Apple I computers? We're talking about transportation here so the detritus of failed attempts will be pretty big. The cost of cleaning up all the old and failed technology has to be figured into it too to be realistic. With trillions of barrels of oil still in the ground it seems insane to me to dismantle all of that infrastructure for a "moon-shot" replacement.

18 posted on 07/03/2008 12:52:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Vote all incumbents out now.


19 posted on 07/10/2008 6:40:19 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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