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Posted on 06/27/2008 2:38:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
Contact: Jerry Horn, Priests for Life, 540-220-0095
AMARILLO, Texas, June 27 /Christian Newswire/ -- Fr. Frank Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life, said today that this morning's Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling lifting an injunction against South Dakota's informed consent for abortion law is a victory for basic truth.
"The court held that the law's requirement that a woman be told that an abortion will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being 'generates little dispute,'" said Fr. Pavone. "Many within the abortion industry have actually admitted this for a long time. It's good that the courts are catching up."
"In my work as National Pastoral Director of Rachel's Vineyard, the world's largest ministry of healing after abortion, I meet so many women who wish someone had repeated this basic fact to them before they had their abortion. A key aspect of women's rights is the right to know the truth about abortion."
Priests for Life is the nation's largest Catholic pro-life organization dedicated to ending abortion and euthanasia. For more information, visit www.priestsforlife.org.
But the abortionists would prefer we believe it is nothing more than a "clump of cells."
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un-hunh. Well, in this case, they lose.
Thank God for Fr. Pavone. He will be sure the South Dakota truth that ‘that a woman be told that an abortion will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being ‘generates little dispute’ is published and heard. This little truth, some some women try in vain to delude themselves about.
Hopefully the ban will be back on the ballot.
For Thou didst form my inward parts; Thou didst weave me in my mother's womb.
I will give thanks to Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Thy works, And my soul knows it very well.
My frame was not hidden from Thee, When I was made in secret, [And] skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth.
Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Thy book they were all written, The days that were ordained [for me], When as yet there was not one of them.
Psalm 139:13-16
It’s amazing to me tht anyone has to be told this? With the advent of 3D and 4D ultrasound not only should they be told this but they also should be shown photos of images of what their child likely looks like now as well as be required to see their ultrasound.
Amen!
I wholeheartedly agree with that! Show each woman (or girl) what is inside her that she’s considering aborting. I had this talk with my daughter last week because some girls at her school have dealt with abortions or childbirth by their mid-teens. More information of a truthful nature is never a bad thing.
Yes, some do. Some other women, particularly young women, walk into an abortionist's office with no real understanding of what it is they are about to do. And they sure as hell won't get the truth from the abortionist.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abortion
We – in the states – have dealt heavily, up to now, in euphemism. I think one of the reasons why the ‘good guys’ – the people in favor of abortion rights – lost a lot of ground is that we have been unwilling to talk to women about what it means to abort a baby. We don’t ever talk about babies, we don’t ever talk about what is being decided in abortion. We never talk about responsibility. The word ‘choice’ is the biggest euphemism. Some use the phrases ‘products of conception’ and ‘contents of the uterus,’ or exchange the word ‘pregnancy’ for the word ‘fetus.’ I think this is a mistake tactically and strategically, and I think it’s wrong.. And indeed, it has not worked – we have lost the high ground we had when Roe was decided. My objection here is not only that we have lost ground, but also that our tactics are not good ones; they may even constitute bad faith. It is morally and ethically wrong to do abortions without acknowledging what it means to do them. I performed abortions, I have had an abortion and I am in favor of women having abortions when we choose to do so. But we should never disregard the fact that being pregnant means there is a baby growing inside of a woman, a baby whose life is ended. We ought not to pretend this is not happening.
- Judith Arcana, abortion activist, at a London seminar, October 1999 [4]
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abortion
I have the utmost respect for life; I appreciate that life starts early in the womb, but I also believe that I am ending it for good reasons.
-Anonymous Boston abortion doctor, “Confessions of an Abortion Doctor,” Cheryl Alkon, Boston Magazine, December 2004
I have angry feelings at myself for feeling good about grasping the calvaria [head], for feeling good about doing a technically good procedure that destroys a fetus, kills a baby.
- Anonymous abortion provider, “Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts” Diane M. Gianelli, American Medical News, July 12, 1993
Nobody wants to perform abortions after ten weeks because by then you see the features of the baby, hands, feet. It’s really barbaric. There are a lot of tears. Sometimes patients turn on you. They say “Let’s get out of here,” after the abortion, like you are some dirty person. It’s vicious. Then you get these teenyboppers in the office who laugh their way through it. It doesn’t mean a thing to them. That bothers me...I do them [abortions] because I take the attitude that women are going to terminate babies and deserve the same kind of treatment as women who carry babies...I’ve done a couple thousand and it turned into a significant financial boon, but I also feel I’ve provided an important service. The only way I can do an abortion is to consider only the woman and block out the baby...
- Anonymous abortion doctor, M.D. Doctors Talk About Themselves by John Pekkanen (Delcorte Press: New York) 1988, p 90-91
The later ones though, they’re bad- you see little arms and feet...little, but you know what they are and you know what’s really being done.
- Anonymous abortion doctor, The Abortionist Mary Ellen Mark, GQ Magazine, Feb. 1994
So when I went back to doing abortions and saw the fetus on the ultrasound, I recalled the early days of my pregnancies, when I found out I was pregnant and saw the baby on the ultrasound, and it really felt like this is a baby, a very real and potential being. Now, I do feel that this is a potential person and it does not have a life of its own outside of the mother, but I also am really aware that when you’re ready to embrace a pregnancy, you can embrace it from the very moment you conceive or are aware that you are pregnant….You look at the ultrasounds and there’s a fetus with a heartbeat and then after the procedure, there’s the fetus, usually in pieces, in a dish. It was alive one moment and it’s not the next... I don’t believe, as some anti-abortion people would have you believe, that there’s a “silent scream.” But it’s very clear to me that it’s killing a potential life. And I found that hard at first.
- Anonymous abortion provider, Birth Mother, Doctor, Abortionist Salon Magazine, Camille Peri
It was disturbing for me to see recognizable body parts in the removed tissue, usually an arm or a leg. My intent is not to be gruesome, but there is a reality behind all the political jargon that I believe I allowed myself to ignore until this experience. I have images now that accompany phrases such as, “Potential for life” and I understand the emotions that drive pro-life forces…
- Anonymous medical student working at Planned Parenthood, Abortion Action Guide Medical Students for Choice, National Abortion Federation, Sept. 1993
I don’t approve, but it doesn’t matter if I don’t approve. I’m doing my job, I’m doing what I am trained to do.
- Anonymous abortion doctor, The Abortionist Mary Ellen Mark, GQ Magazine, Feb 1994
You’re going from dealing with people to dealing with what most people here at the Center consider a real hurdle, to do sterile room, because you have to deal with the actual abortion tissue. And for some people that’s really hard. They can be abstractly in favor of abortion rights, but they sure don’t want to see what an eighteen-week abortion looks like.
- anonymous clinic worker Abortion at Work: Ideology and Practice in a Feminist Clinic Wendy Simonds (Rutgers University Press: New Brunswick) 1996 p 69
So by it looking like a baby, you’re associating it with yourself because you used to be a baby, you used to be a fetus.
- Anonymous clinic worker Abortion at Work: Ideology and Practice in a Feminist Clinic Wendy Simonds, p 83
When I can identify the four chambers of the heart, I start feeling miserable. And when I put my hands on somebody to feel how big they are and I get kicked, I am barely able to talk at that moment.
Anonymous abortion doctor, Diane M. Gianelli, Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts American Medical News, July 12, 1993
It’s hard to be in a profession where you have a hard time answering the questions that other people ask you about what you do.
- Anonymous abortion provider, Diane M. Gianelli, Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts American Medical News, July 12, 1993
We try to use the physician for his technical skill and reduce the one-to-one relationship with the patient. We usually see the patient for the first time on the operation table and then not again. More contact is just not efficient.
- Abortionist Edward Allred, quoted in The San Diego Union , October 12, 1980. Also quoted in Anthony Perry. Doctor’s Abortion Business Is Lucrative ALL About Issues , December 1980, pages 10, 14, and 15
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abortion
90% of illegal abortions are being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such; . . . They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is . . . Abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians.
- Mary Calderone, founder of SIECUS and medical director of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, “Illegal abortion as a public health problem,” American Journal of Public Health, July 1960
They can be born breathing and crying at 19 weeks’ gestation. . . I am not anti-abortion, but as far as I am concerned this is sub-standard medicine. . . If viability is the basis on which they set the 24-week limit for abortion, then the simplest answer is to change the law and reduce the upper limit to 18 weeks.
- Stuart Campbell, former professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at London’s St. George’s hospital commenting on the government’s Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and Child Health (CEMACH) report that 50 babies a year are born alive in the UK after botched National Health Service abortions, as reported by London’s The Sunday Times, November 27, 2005 [11]
I think the fear in the [abortion rights] movement is if we admit abortion is hard for some women, then we’re admitting that it’s wrong, which is totally not the case. I’ve heard from women who are having problems dealing with their abortion who are still ardently pro-choice.
- Rosemary Candelario, director of Massachusetts Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, September 2001
I know that the fetus is alive during the process most of the time because I can see fetal heartbeat on the ultrasound. . . I think brain death would occur because the suctioning to remove contents is only two or three seconds, so somewhere in that period of time, obviously not when you penetrate the skull, because people get shot in the head and they don’t die immediately from that, if they are going to die at all, so that probably is not sufficient to kill the fetus, but I think removing the brain contents eventually will. . . My intent in every abortion I have ever done is to kill the fetus and terminate the pregnancy.
- Leroy Carhart, testifying under oath in 1997 about what he does to facilitate abortion, Asheville Tribune
I am LeRoy H. Carhart, and I am an abortionist. . . We’re not asking for the right to suck the brains out of every child that walks down the street, we need to continue to offer safe abortions to women who need them to be done.
- Leroy Carhart, addressing the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, Omaha World-Herald (January 2001)
Q: Are you currently a member of the Board of Directors for Physicians for Choice, Physicians for Reproductive Health and Choice?
Carhart: Exactly. I am.
Q: And are you also on the National Board of Directors of the Religious Coalition of Reproductive Choice?
Carhart: Yes, ma’am. I am.
Q: Doctor, are you board certified?
Carhart: No, ma’am. I’m not.
- Leroy Carhart, confirming his pro-choice credentials under oath, Carhart v. Ashcroft, 4/1/2004
This act covers every D&E [dilation and evacuation] that I did. Everything that I do to cause an abortion is an overt act. . . The fetuses are alive at the time of delivery. [There is a heartbeat] very frequently.
- Leroy Carhart, testifying under oath that language in the partial-birth abortion ban act bans more than just partial-birth abortion, Carhart v. Ashcroft (April 1, 2004).
Well, I was telling Ms. Smith at lunch today that, you know, we are talking about a fetus that’s not only been dead for 48 hours, but we are talking about a fetus that has been dead for 48 hours in essentially a warming oven or crockpot. It has been kept at a hundred degrees for 48 hours, and if, you know, that’s enough, that’s enough temperature to cook meat, so we are not only dealing with a fetus that has been dead in my practice, we are dealing with a fetus that’s both dead and soft, so it’s much more pliable.
- Leroy Carhart, testifying under oath on the safety of his abortion methods, in a deposition taken for Carhart v. Ashcroft, (April 1, 2004).
Ping: Abortionists in their own words.
Well, that’s true enough. No, no truth from the abortionist. Good for South Dakota. And from what I’m hearing, the clump of cells trash I was taught in school is still being taught as part of sex-ed, thanks Planned parenthood.
I recently had such a discussion with some college age students. Mostly pro-life. I would think with all we know now and 3-D ultrasounds that few would be confused. I still posit that some try to use the ‘clump of cells’ idea to try to fool themselves, assuage their guilt. Isn’t that part of the sex-ed we all pay for, or so I thought. But no, there was still confusion regarding those first few weeks when the baby doesn’t ‘look’ particularly human. I was surprised to hear an argument/discussion ensue. Was it Fr. Pavone who said something to the effect of ‘that clump of cells isn’t a chimp’, meaning it’s human whether the form is readily recognizable or not. Not magically human at some future point. Which is the point I made to them.
The same thing happened to my fomer co-worker’s daughter-in-law, but she said that something told her that their baby was alive, and he is now a very, very healthy little boy.
I wonder how often this happens. Scarry and sad.
WOW! I wonder if he realizes how his words and actions seem contradictory (to say the least) since he supports the latest attempt at legislation in South Dakota which contains exceptions.
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