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To: dirtboy
Tell me Pat didn't write that.

I think you don't get what he's saying. He is saying that the preconditions that empowered Hitler were engendered by the aftermath of WWI.

Remember that not long before Hitler became chancellor, the city of Berlin had been taken over by the Spartakusbund, a rabidly communist party comprising many Reform Jewish leaders, particularly Polish Jewess, Rosa Luxemburg. The Spartakusbund brought crushing strikes and depravity to Berlin, which was rapidly becoming the San Francisco of Germany. It was to be the first step in a nationwide communist takeover repeating a first attempt in 1848. These folks had the German middle class shaking in their boots. Not a few fell into Hitler's arms out of fear.

Toss in news of the Balfour Declaration as a cause of America's entry into WWI and Germany's resulting loss. That was easily portrayed as a betrayal in return for the historic accommodation the Germans had shown for the Jewish people, despite the fact that the agreement had been concluded by radical Sabbatean bankers who had nothing but antipathy for the Orthodox Jewish commoner.

History is more complicated than good guys v. bad guys. People need to understand that Judaism is by no means homogeneous, but deeply divided between Orthodox and the Sabbatean left, inventors of communism in the first place.

69 posted on 06/20/2008 8:48:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Not sure “Sabbetian” is the word you are looking for.

Sabbateans is a complex general term that refers to a variety of followers of, disciples and believers in Sabbatai Zevi (1626 - 1676), a Jewish rabbi who was proclaimed to be the Jewish Messiah in 1665 by Nathan of Gaza. Vast numbers of Jews in the Jewish diaspora accepted his claims, even after he became a Jewish apostate with his conversion to Islam in 1666. Sabbatai Zevi’s followers both during his “Messiahship” and after his conversion to Islam are known as Sabbateans


77 posted on 06/20/2008 8:52:02 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Jews invented communism? The word communism was coined in 1840 by John Goodwyn Barmby in reference to followers of the French revolution era Grachus Babeuf. Marx himself was the son of converted Jews who was himself quite anti-semitic. And 1920s Berlin was one of the cultural capitals of Europe filled with great writers and musicians.


82 posted on 06/20/2008 8:55:41 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Carry_Okie
History is more complicated than good guys v. bad guys. People need to understand that Judaism is by no means homogeneous, but deeply divided between Orthodox and the Sabbatean left, inventors of communism in the first place.

Good points. I never understood the Jewish alignment with communism during the 30’s.
99 posted on 06/20/2008 9:06:10 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The Spartakusbund brought crushing strikes and depravity to Berlin, which was rapidly becoming the San Francisco of Germany.

Yeah. Living an hour's drive from the REAL San Francisco, makes me want to overthrow the US government, take over the whole world, and kill all the Jooooooooooos.

Crystal(nacht) clear reasoning there, Carrie

100 posted on 06/20/2008 9:06:21 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: Carry_Okie
I don't know where to begin with that.
The US entered WW1 thanks to the Zimmerman Telegram, German meddling in Mexico, and German sabotage activities in the US proper.
As for communism, it was the German High Command (including the future Nazi-allie Ludendorff) who helped the Bolsheviks take over Russia. Germany transported Lenin and many of his friends from Switzerland to Russia. The Germans also funded the Bolsheviks.

I am not going to deny that there were self-hating former Jews in the Communist movement. There were far to meany, and I hope taht they are all buring in hell. However the point is taht they hated Jews and Judaism and their purported Jewishness was only an excuse from the Antisemites.

289 posted on 06/20/2008 1:57:20 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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