Posted on 06/05/2008 5:12:02 AM PDT by Man50D
According to the media, Barack Obama has won the Democratic Presidential nomination (Obama Clinches Nomination; First Black Candidate to Lead a Major Party Ticket). That's only true if you count the so-called superdelegates. Neither Barack Obama (1750) nor Hillary Clinton (1624.5) has won enough elected delegates from the popular vote in the actual primaries and caucuses to hit the delegate number needed (2118) to seal the nomination.
That brings us to the one important thing that the major media (but not AT) aren't sharing with the public right now. Obama's nomination is secured only by the promised votes of the Democratic superdelegates -- and they are free to change their pledged support as often as they like, even right up until the time they place their vote at the Democratic convention in August. They are not bound to any candidate in any way, other than by their own word. As Obama has surpassed the 2118 delegate number by virtue of the changing whims of superdelegates once pledged to Hillary Clinton, can't the opposite happen between now and August?
That, in a nutshell, is why Hillary Clinton did not concede the race last night. The media did everything possible to throw her out, reporting at various times yesterday that Hillary was going to concede or that Hillary was going to force herself upon Obama as his Vice Presidential pick. The drive-by media is scared stiff that this thing is going to continue and rip apart the Democratic Party -- their party -- and they are doing everything in their power to put a stake through the hearts of the Clintons.
It won't work.
The truth is even the popular vote delegates can legally switch.
If the SDs switch often enough they might wind up with STDs.
Ubama’s Presidency is a given thing with the MSM, just like global warming, Darwinism/the theory of evolution, etc. Why are you trying to steal their thunder by pointing out silly little things like FACTS?!? ;-)
Who ever is choosen needs to see signs at all major events reading:
SELECTED, NOT ELECTED
I won’t believe Hillary drops out until the November election is over. These ARE the Clintons, you know...
I love the 1624.5 figure. *LOL* When I see that 1/2 man walking around, I’ll know it’s a Hillary delegate.
with the superdelegates in play, i guess we can say that Barack was “selected” not “elected”, can’t we?!!! ha!
But the Superdelegates are all long-term Democrat Party operatives and insiders! If you can’t trust a long-term Democrat Party operative or insider, who can you trust?!?
The only reason Hillary Clinton is promoting her popular vote argument is so the Superdelegates have some political cover if it becomes necessary to knife Obama in the back. If for some reason yet to be determined (or revealed), Obama becomes suddenly radioactive, the Superdelegates can switch their votes, all the while intoning seriously about “heeding the will of the American People...”
The truth is even the popular vote delegates can legally switch.
The superdelegates have become a sort of oracular fog. They “know” the answer, but they ain’t talking.
People say they are afraid of a floor fight, but this is party politics at its best. To hell with the bloodless coronations that pass for conventions. It will be great to see a convention like in the days before TV. AND it will be a powerful civics lesson for the kids.
My understanding is that the pledged delegates, awarded during the primaries, are not supposed to switch until after the first ballot.
I think superdelegates can do absolutely anything they want (although they have to worry about their repuation if they break a promise to a powerful politician).
In any case, do we think that a superdelegate will be arrested and face jailtime for "voting wrong" on the first ballot?? The outcome will not be known until August, no matter what the media tells us.
Didn’t the media do a similar thing with the McCain selection? Since McCain was the most left leaning liberal of the Republican candidates, the MSM biased the news to report things favorable toward McCain, while under reporting positions of other genuinely conservative candidates. Basically conservative Republicans got blindsided by the media so now we have the presumptive nominee, McCain.
It’s a simple strategy, declare a winner, and the win is self-fulfilling. Even the dems are being blindsided by the media, and most don’t realize what’s happening.
I need to incorporate that into a tagline...
Oops, that should read “Barack and Michelle”, LOL
Actually “Barack & Obama” sounds like an ambulance chasing law firm, where’s the Breck Girl?!?
Not only that, the superdelegates themselves are still switching.
In some cases, they have been forced to step down because of their own ongoing scandals.
In other cases, like one in Ft. Worth in Texas, the “rules” have things like a racial quota. I’ll post the newspaper article later today.
The names of the superdelegates themselves are in flux.
Pelosi is trying to force them to LOCK in this bunch WHILE Obama reportedly has a “pledged” majority.
Obama was selected not elected by the supposed DemocratIC party.
All liberals are just glorified ambulance-chasers anyway--they prey on the misery and discontent of other people in order to get wealth and power for themselves.
Andy: I’s a readin’ here jus’ the other day where’s there’s somethin’ like four hundred needy boys in this county alone, or one and a half boys per square mile.Opie: There is?
Andy: There sho' is.
Opie: I never seen one, Pa.
Andy: Never seen one what?
Opie: A half boy.
Andy: Well, it’s not really a half a boy, it’s a ratio.
Opie: Horatio who?
Andy: Not Horatio – a ratio. It’s mathematics. ‘Rithmetic. Look, now, Opie. Just fergit that part of it. Fergit the part about the half a boy.
Opie: It’s purty hard to fergit a thing like that, Pa.
Andy: Well, try!
Opie: Poor Horatio...
< /Andy Griffith Show - Season 1 : “Opie’s Charity” >
If you recall the Obama team juggling the seating of a mixed race audience to get some more white people in there and some asians in camera shot too, it is understandable that the delegates must lock in at some point so that Michelle can get the seating arangement finished by the convention.
“Pelosi is trying to force them to LOCK in this bunch WHILE Obama reportedly has a “pledged” majority.”
She seems to have a pretty big stake in this. How likely is it that she simply will not allow another woman to be more powerful than she is?
And if she carries out her pledge to concede on Friday then that tosses this conspiracy theory out the window, doesn't it?
“Didn’t the media do a similar thing with the McCain selection? Since McCain was the most left leaning liberal of the Republican candidates, the MSM biased the news to report things favorable toward McCain, while under reporting positions of other genuinely conservative candidates. Basically conservative Republicans got blindsided by the media so now we have the presumptive nominee, McCain.
It’s a simple strategy, declare a winner, and the win is self-fulfilling. Even the dems are being blindsided by the media, and most don’t realize what’s happening.”
Yes, McCain is STILL referred to as the “PRESUMPTIVE” nominee. Since the pledged Republican delegates could change their support after the first vote at convention, maybe just maybe there is a chance McCain could be dumped for someone else. That is my hope, and it would be my dream come true if it happened!
According to the rules (not legally) they can switch after the first ballot comes up without a winner. The Super Delegate are supposed to make sure there is a winner on the first ballot by voting on that ballot at the convention. What's legal or not legal is up to the courts if Hillary decides to take it there. For entertainment purposes and the total annihilation of the Democratic Party, I hope she does :)
Be careful of what you wish for. Ron Paulies have been infiltrating the state conventions and may have a number of delegates to influence the outcome at the national convention.
My understanding is that the pledged delegates, awarded during the primaries, are not supposed to switch until after the first ballot.
I think that's what bio is saying. The "pledged" delegates - awarded based on the primary vote - are required to vote as pledged on the first ballot, but after that they can switch.
Nope. Amazingly enough, after Ted Kennedy tried unsuccessfully to unbind Carter delegates, the rule was changed, and pledged delegates can now vote for whoever they want to on the first ballot:
“Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or on the first ballot,” a recent DNC memo states. “A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html
McCain is where he is because of Howard Dean’s OWN operation chaos (Dean staffers went to work on the McCain 2008 staff starting in 2006).
Obama's nomination is secured only by the promised votes of the Democratic superdelegatesEveryone with a brain has known that for a long time. Trouble is, Demwits don't ha-, well you know...
LMAO! Good one.
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