The bodies of dead civilians lie among mangled bicycles near Beijing's Tiananmen Square early June 4, 1989. Tanks and soldiers stormed the area overnight, bringing a violent end to student demonstrations for democratic reform in China. (AP Photo)
Posted on 06/04/2008 2:00:59 PM PDT by Pyro7480
The bodies of dead civilians lie among mangled bicycles near Beijing's Tiananmen Square early June 4, 1989. Tanks and soldiers stormed the area overnight, bringing a violent end to student demonstrations for democratic reform in China. (AP Photo)
Does anybody know how many died?
Anywhere from several hundred to several thousand.
The bodies of dead civilians lie among mangled bicycles near Beijing's Tiananmen Square early June 4, 1989. Tanks and soldiers stormed the area overnight, bringing a violent end to student demonstrations for democratic reform in China. (AP Photo)
They should be isolated from the world jhust for this atrocity alone. Tibet and Taiwan are other amtters, along with their slave labor policies. We should do everytihng in our power to topple this brutal regime.
Google: Don't be evil (unless it is profitable)
That famous scene took place the next day, 5 June 1989.
What pictures? There are no pictures. There never were.
I can’t. I had only been in Korea for a couple of months when this happened. We went on high alert. I may not remember the date, but I’ll never forget where I was. Walking by the newspaper stand in front of the Rec Center with the USA Today blaring it from the front page.
Remember this.....
Never Forget the brave students.
The bodies of dead civilians lie among mangled bicycles near Beijing's Tiananmen Square early June 4, 1989. Tanks and soldiers stormed the area overnight, bringing a violent end to student demonstrations for democratic reform in China. (AP Photo)
China welcomes Clinton at edge of Tiananmen Square Memories of bloody crackdown tinge ceremony
June 26, 1998
BEIJING (CNN) -- U.S. President Bill Clinton opened his state visit Saturday at the edge of Tiananmen Square, the plaza that remains haunted by memories of China's bloody crackdown against pro-democracy demonstrators nine years ago.
In a ceremony heavy with symbolism, Clinton shook hands with President Jiang Zemin and other senior leaders of China's communist regime at a red-carpet welcoming ceremony outside the Great Hall of the People.
A military band played the U.S. national anthem, followed by China's national anthem, and a volley of symbolic welcoming shots evoked another kind of gunfire that rang out over Tiananmen Square in 1989.
Clinton and Jiang walked side by side to review an honor guard of the People's Liberation Army at the edge of the historic square. The two leaders appeared at ease with each other, chatting and smiling as troops marched by.
The ceremony lasted 11 minutes. Then the two presidents retired inside for talks. Clinton's wife, Hillary, stood with Jiang's wife, Wang Yeping, during the arrival. Agreement reached on nuclear missiles Clinton and Jiang's wife Hillary Rodham Clinton and Jiang's wife, Wang Yeping, watch the ceremony
As the welcoming ceremony played out, U.S. and Chinese negotiators reached a deal on two security issues. The two nations agreed to no longer aim long-range nuclear missiles at one another. They also settled on stiffer export controls on missile technology to third-world nations with nuclear ambitions, according to an administration official.
Clinton is trying to achieve a delicate balancing act, hoping that helping China open to the outside world will help accelerate the process of reform in the communist nation.
Back home in the United States, the welcoming ceremony stirred protests and a congressional resolution urged Clinton not to step foot in the plaza.
U.S. officials concluded, after studying protocol, that Clinton should take part in the ceremony at the edge of the square rather than risk offending Chinese leaders. It is standard protocol for visiting dignitaries to be welcomed at the site.
For Americans, Tiananmen Square is a reminder of the Chinese military's 1989 killing of hundreds, if not thousands, of pro-democracy demonstrators. But for China, it is the country's spiritual and political center, where Mao Tse-tung declared victory in the communist revolution of 1949.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9806/26/clinton.china.02/index.html
Only once in my life have I attended any candlelit vigil. (There are so many, most of which are PC crap.) This massacre was what prompted me to do so.
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China welcomes Clinton at edge of Tiananmen Square
Memories of bloody crackdown tinge ceremony
June 26, 1998
BEIJING (CNN) -- U.S. President Bill Clinton opened his state visit Saturday at the edge of Tiananmen Square, the plaza that remains haunted by memories of China's bloody crackdown against pro-democracy demonstrators nine years ago.
In a ceremony heavy with symbolism, Clinton shook hands with President Jiang Zemin and other senior leaders of China's communist regime at a red-carpet welcoming ceremony outside the Great Hall of the People.
A military band played the U.S. national anthem, followed by China's national anthem, and a volley of symbolic welcoming shots evoked another kind of gunfire that rang out over Tiananmen Square in 1989.
Clinton and Jiang walked side by side to review an honor guard of the People's Liberation Army at the edge of the historic square. The two leaders appeared at ease with each other, chatting and smiling as troops marched by.
The ceremony lasted 11 minutes. Then the two presidents retired inside for talks. Clinton's wife, Hillary, stood with Jiang's wife, Wang Yeping, during the arrival. Agreement reached on nuclear missiles Clinton and Jiang's wife Hillary Rodham Clinton and Jiang's wife, Wang Yeping, watch the ceremony
As the welcoming ceremony played out, U.S. and Chinese negotiators reached a deal on two security issues. The two nations agreed to no longer aim long-range nuclear missiles at one another. They also settled on stiffer export controls on missile technology to third-world nations with nuclear ambitions, according to an administration official.
Clinton is trying to achieve a delicate balancing act, hoping that helping China open to the outside world will help accelerate the process of reform in the communist nation.
Back home in the United States, the welcoming ceremony stirred protests and a congressional resolution urged Clinton not to step foot in the plaza.
U.S. officials concluded, after studying protocol, that Clinton should take part in the ceremony at the edge of the square rather than risk offending Chinese leaders. It is standard protocol for visiting dignitaries to be welcomed at the site.
For Americans, Tiananmen Square is a reminder of the Chinese military's 1989 killing of hundreds, if not thousands, of pro-democracy demonstrators. But for China, it is the country's spiritual and political center, where Mao Tse-tung declared victory in the communist revolution of 1949.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9806/26/clinton.china.02/index.html
I did, on 9/11.
From a 2003 Washington Post article...
"...a statement [Bill] Clinton made in February 2002, in which he told an audience in Australia, 'This is a unique moment in U.S. history, a brief moment in history, when the U.S. has preeminent military, economic and political power. It won't last forever. This is just a period, a few decades this will last.'
Clinton continued...
'In all probability, we won't be the premier political and economic power we are now' in a few decades, he said, pointing to the growth of China's economy and the growing economic strength of the European Union.
Whether the United States maintains its military supremacy, he said, depends in part on how much those other entities invest in their militaries, and Clinton said working cooperatively is essential to U.S. interests.
But he said he did not want to be misunderstood. 'I never advocated that we not have the strongest military in the world...I don't think a single soul has thought I was advocating scaling back our military.'
Source: Washington Post article from May 2003:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62253-2003Apr30¬Found=true
or find his remarks here (Talon News):
Clinton Predicts America's Decline:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/nw03/talonnews/0503/newswire-tn-050503d.htm
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The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate
By Richard Poe
May 26, 2003
CHINA WILL LIKELY replace the USA as world leader, said Bill Clinton in a recent Washington Post interview. It is just a matter of time. Clinton should know. He has personally done more to build China’s military strength than any man on earth.
Most Americans have heard of the so-called "Chinagate " scandal. Few understand its deadly import, however. Web sites such as "Chinagate for Dummies" and its companion "More Chinagate for Dummies" offer some assistance. Unfortunately, with a combined total of nearly 8,000 words, these two sites – like so many others of the genre – offer more detail than most of us "dummies" can absorb.
For that reason, in the 600 words left in this column, I will try to craft my own "Idiot’s Guide to Chinagate," dedicated to all those busy folks like you and me whose attention span tends to peter out after about 750 words. Here goes.
When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented little threat to the United States. Chinese missiles "couldn’t hit the side of a barn," notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets.
Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.
China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy – equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do their dirty work, while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.
In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal respectively, thus controlling access both ways. A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing California’s Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from their bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.
How did China catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed – or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness are to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.
As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity"– the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.
To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O’Leary to head the Department of Energy. O’Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.
Federal investigators later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton’s open-door policy – probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes. Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.
In his book The China Threat, Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked. Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clinton’s campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs. Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.
"We like your president. We want to see him reelected," former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way.
Clinton’s top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.
Clinton received funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.
Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clinton’s front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Brown’s Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash.
Needless to say, China does not share Clinton’s enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity. The Chinese look out for Number One.
"War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister General Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war." Bill Clinton has given them a good start.
The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate:
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=125
or,
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/26/214938.shtml
*nod* I would have, then, too. I think I was in too much shock (and no longer in college with quite as much free time).
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