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OBAMA’S FRIENDSHIP WITH PFLEGER ( Who is Obama?)
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| June 3,2008
| Rick Moran
Posted on 06/03/2008 11:41:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ive listened to several speeches over the last year by Barack Obama and read the transcripts to a few others and what strikes me the more I read and understand what the candidate is saying is the truly revolutionary nature of his campaign and that he is dead serious about turning this country leftward radically leftward in all areas of government and private life.
Now Americans by tradition are a mostly centrist bunch. We are extremely wary of politicians who promise dramatic change unless the times call for it. Even then, we rarely slip too far to the right or left befitting a mature, responsible citizenry of a republic. Reagan may have been the most ideological president of the 20th century but no one can say he didnt compromise to get most of what he wanted. Pragmatic conservatism was the order of the day with Reagan presiding over a revolution in the way people looked and felt about government.
But Obama comes from a different planet than Reagan. And you can start noticing the differences when Obama first graduated from college and, like many young people, began searching for something to give his life meaning:
He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried hed become one of those freaks you see on the streets around here.
They had good cause to worry about Obamas radicalism. You can trace his journey to the hard left by looking at his early employment record. Graduating from Colombia in 1983, Obama went to work for the staid, establishment capitalist concern Business International Corporation.
He didnt stay there long. He moved on to the New York Public Interest Research Group (NYPIRG) one of a network of Ralph Nader creations that boasts a consistent anti-business record of achievement with mixed results.
But he must have been searching for something else something that could get him more directly involved in radically altering the system. In 1985, he found just what he was looking for; he answered a help wanted ad for a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago.
There are several different takes on Obamas experience as an organizer. This hagiagraphic piece in US News paints a saintly picture of Obama a selfless, hard working, mainstream black man only wanting to help the poor.
The reality was a little different. Trained in the Saul Alinsky method of organizing, Obama became quite adept at bringing the resentments and rage felt by African Americans against the white establishment to the surface:
He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.
It was during these years as a community organizer that Obama apparently met and befriended (or was befriended by) a young, passionate, radical priest named Father Michael Pfleger who was making quiet a name for himself as the youngest pastor in the Archdiocese of Chicago, ministering to a mostly African American congregation at St. Sabinas on the south side. The two struck up a friendship that continues to this day.
What is it about Pfleger that attracted the young Obama? Was it Pfegers attempt to bridge the black experience in the protestant tradition with that of the Roman Catholic Church? This piece on Pfleger from 1989 shows that 1) the good father hasnt changed much; and 2) why Obama may have been drawn to the then young priest:
But St. Sabina on Chicagos South Side is not the typical black Catholic church. Ebony wood carvings, Ashanti foot stools and kinte cloths make the altar area look more like an African art gallery. Banners of red, black and green, the colors of African liberation, hang from the rafters, along with excerpts from the Black National Anthem. A 20-foot mural of a black Jesus looms over the altar.
Mass usually lasts two and a half hours, in which Father Pfleger assails racism and intolerance.
Recently, he defended Father Stallings. The cardinals say, Youre mad, Father Pfleger said, his voice rising. Youre damn right Im mad. And I need to be mad. We need to be mad. There comes a time when you cant be satisfied waiting and waiting and being told changes come from within. You cant change it from within if youre not in the room thats making the decision. If you got no power, you cant do nothing.
For a young man seeking to internalize his black identity in a white world, it is no wonder Pfleger and Obama hit it off.
But beyond what Pfleger could do for his soul, Obama recognized Pfleger as a comer in the Byzantine world of Chicago politics where preachers and moneymen hold hands with politicians and political operators to grease the wheels of commerce, charity, and corruption.
The power relationships in Chicago depend on two things; ones ability to shake the money tree in order to get what you want and the equally important knowledge of where to go and who to see to shake that tree. There are literally dozens of foundations and community groups that dispense grants to help neighborhoods and Father Pfleger utilized this network of grant givers to slowly build something of a secular community empire that attempted to affect the lives of his parishioners and residents of his neighborhood at the most basic of levels. After school programs for kids, workshops on how to work with a landlord to fix the plumbing, a program for seniors on medicare the list of good deeds done by Pfleger in the community with a little help from his political friends is nearly endless.
Pflegers political power base was his south side church and the network of community groups that dotted the political landscape of the nearly powerless African American ghetto in that part of town. His incendiary rhetoric had already brought him to the attention of radical preachers like Jeremiah Wright while he showed his political skills by tapping south side politicians for grants to fund his community outreach programs.
Pfleger is a very serious Christian and takes the words of Jesus Christ at their most literal. I have speculated before that one thing that attracts Obama to radicals like Pfleger, Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, and James Meeks is their utter and total certainty in the righteousness of their cause. And if you listen to Pfleger for five minutes, there is no doubting the mans sincerity about making whitey pay for centuries of oppression.
I will have more on Pfleger in an article I am writing for another publication. But for now, we can simply ask ourselves why we should think Obama has changed his stripes from the radical community organizer, admirer of radical priests and preachers, to this supposedly centrist, non ideological creation of the presidential campaign.
I find it hard to believe he has altered his basic political beliefs from the far left idealism of his youth. And I find it equally difficult to believe that eventually, someone in the media is going to ask him to reconcile the two faces of Obama the radical agitator and the smooth, adroit post partisan candidate for president.
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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posted on
06/03/2008 11:42:59 AM PDT
by
Jeff Head
(Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
To: Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; SE Mom; mware; Matchett-PI; Marine_Uncle
I think this is from a Left leaning website...but still gives us some background on Obama...
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To: Jeff Head
Another from the Web Site:
OBAMA - THE COWARDLY LION
*********************EXCERPT********************
6/1/2008
Hes going to get away with it, of course. No one will dare point to the fact that once again, Barack Obama has disposed of a problem, not by addressing the cause but rather the political garbage that goes along with it.
After 20 years association, the near nominee has decided to end his association with Trinity United Church.
Was it because of the racist, hate mongering sermons of Jeremiah Wright?
Was it because his church has embraced Louis Farrakhan?
Was it because the church allowed a Roman Catholic priest to preach sermons that ape the worst of Reverend Wrights rants against whites and America?
Was it because almost everything about the church was far from mainstream Christian thought and that he finally rebelled against the message of hate that spewed from its pulpit for 20 years?
Not according to the candidate himself:
We dont want to have to answer for everything thats stated in the church, the Democratic front-runner said. We also dont want the church subjected to the scrutiny that a presidential campaign legitimately undergoes. Obama said he was resigning with some sadness.
This is not a decision I come to lightly, he said. Watch Obama discuss departure »
The resignation comes days after the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a visiting Catholic priest, mocked Obamas Democratic rival during a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois.
In the sermon, Pfleger wipes his eyes with a handkerchief and suggests that Sen. Hillary Clinton wept because she thought that as a white person and the wife of a former president, she was entitled to the presidency.
Pfleger is a Catholic priest at St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church on Chicagos southwest side. He is also a friend of Trinitys former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, from whom Obama distanced himself in April.
Obama said the Pfleger controversy made it clear that, as long as he remained a member of the Trinity congregation, remarks from the pulpit would be imputed to him, even if they conflicted with his personal views.
In addition to being friends with Wright, Pfleger is also a long time friend of Barack Obama, a relationship that goes back almost as far as the candidates relationship with Wright. While in the state senate, Obama steered around $300,000 to various programs headed up by Father Pfleger while the bigot priest gave Obama $1500 in political contributions over the years. Obama has also claimed Pfleger as one of his spiritual mentors and the priest has been hanging around the campaign off and on over the past year, offering his mentoring whenever the candidate has hit a rough patch.
bring this up because CNN didnt think it was newsworthy to mention the close, personal relationship Obama has with Pfleger which is another reason why the candidate is going to slide on the real reason he is quitting the church.
Representative Robert Wexler of Florida gives the media its marching orders:
Some Obama supporters, including U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler of Florida, said that disconnecting from the church signaled a chance for the campaign to move on. I think it bodes well for us in the general election that we can put whatever issues there were behind us in respect to the church, Wexler said.
Dont worry, Bob. The media already never heard of Trinity Church, or Wright, or Moss, or Meeks, or Pfleger. They are now officially non-associates of Barack Obama and can be safely ignored.
What then, to make of Obamas quitting Trinity Church? Once again, Obama has proven himself to lack any kind of political courage. He makes the Cowardly Lion look like Audie Murphy. He once again tries the straddle approach trying to disentangle himself from a political problem without alienating his base. And once again, political expediency and not conscience or moral outrage guides his actions.
The calculating nature of this move is made obvious by asking the one, simple, question that no one in the media has yet even raised by my reading so far; what the hell took you so long, Barry? No one believes the candidate when he says he never heard Wright utter his foul diatribes against America and against white people over 20 years of sitting in the pews at Trinity Church. That doesnt even pass the laugh test. Nor does anyone believe him when he says he was surprised at Father Pflegers rants. Everyone in Chicago is familiar with Pflegers views on whites and on America. Much more so than Wright, Pfleger has been a fixture on local news and is good for a colorful quote or two whenever the media needs one on race or housing or on the Iraq War.
To repeat, what took you so long Obama? The fact is, as long as belonging to Trinity was a political plus contacts with the movers and shakers in the black community as well as demonstrating his authentic blackness to his constituents Obama embraced his church.
But now, running for president and having his pastor and church exposed as radical adherents to Black Liberation Theology, Obama throws them under the bus without hesitation. (Would that he was so decisive in matters of policy.). They have become a drag, a hindrance to his ambitions and must go the way of his other friends and associates he has summarily dismissed from his royal presence.
You wonder what Tony Rezko is thinking after spending years in promoting the young Obama to where now he stands on the threshold of the presidency and because of his trial, the candidate makes out as if he barely knows Rezko. Same goes for Bill Ayers who plucked Obama from obscurity and made him head of Ayers baby the Chicago Annenberg Challenge only to see the candidate describe his close relationship with Ayers as him being just a neighbor.
He tried to downplay his relationship with Wright, with Pfleger, with Reverend James Meeks (another radical bigot) anyone and everyone who has proven themselves to be a danger to his ambitions has either been tossed on the garbage heap or dismissed as inconsequential.
Anyone see a pattern here?
Let us take Obama at his word for the moment and pretend that he has a ghost of a chance in realizing his campaign promises to bring change to Washington. Doesnt matter how (the candidate hasnt told us anyway). Whatever plan he comes up with will demand political courage. He will be going up against the most entrenched of interests who will fight tooth and nail to maintain their privileges and access.
But Obama has shown no sign of possessing the kind of political courage it would take to realize any of his goals with regard to changing Washington. This should be obvious even to his most rabid supporters. He has never gone against his party. He has never crossed the aisle to work in a bi-partisan manner on anything consequential. (His anti-Iraq war stance took about as much political courage as an alley cat has. He wasnt running for any federal office and his state senate district makes Berkley look like Utah as far as ideological makeup is concerned.). In short, Obama is a Flim-Flam Man who has gotten away (so far) with relying on a friendly media to cover his ass for him as he tries to put radical after radical in his past behind him.
Pretty soon, the media is going to have Obama looking like a mainstream politician something I didnt think was possible but now believe that is the ultimate goal of the campaign. The sad fact is, as long as Obama doesnt murder some one between now and the election, he stands a very good chance of winning.
By: Rick Moran at 8:42 am
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Excellent post. Thanks for sharing it with us. We need all the info we can get on the Obamanation.
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posted on
06/03/2008 11:59:13 AM PDT
by
Free ThinkerNY
((((Stop the Obamanation!))))
To: 2ndDivisionVet
To: All; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; LS
From the second piece at post #5:
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Same goes for Bill Ayers who plucked Obama from obscurity and made him head of Ayers baby the Chicago Annenberg Challenge only to see the candidate describe his close relationship with Ayers as him being just a neighbor.
**********************************From the Just One Minute Blog**********************
Barack Obama has a new entanglement with unrepentant Weatherman Bill Ayers which I detail below. The gist is this - back in the mid-90's Bill Ayers was instrumental in the creation and early operation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an effort committed to the reform of Chicago's public schools. Barack Obama was Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which suggests he worked closely with Ayers for several years.
Yet in his recent nationally televised appearances and at his website, Obama fails to mention this Ayers entanglement. Why so coy? It's hard to believe he actually forgot his executive role in this important foray into public policy; that said, the Chicago Challenge foundered on the hard rocks of Chicago politics and was widely viewed as ineffective, so perhaps he would prefer not to highlight his failure to bring people together and produce real change.
Or maybe Obama was a do-nothing figurehead who honestly forgot that Bill Ayers was running the show. Awkward spin, that. In any case, there is also a question of shared values. Ayers brings a highly progressive approach to education - dare we ask whether Obama shares his values?
Details and plenty of background links after the break.
With Ayers, two themes are emerging:
(1) It's not the crime, it's the cover-up - why can't Obama manage to deliver a clear answer about his relationship with Ayers? It has long been reported that they both sat on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. We now also know that Ayers helped found the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund, with Obama as the first Chairman of the Board. We also know that Obama, Thomas Ayers (Bill Ayers father) and John Ayers (Bill's brother) all served on the Leadership Council of the Chicago Public Schools Education Fund (described here as "the successor" to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge project).
That is a lot more of a connection than Obama has admitted in two recent appearances on national television or at his websites "Fact Check". At the Philadelphia debate, Ayers was described as
... a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
In Philadelphia, it was left to Hillary to mention the Woods Fund board overlap.
And on Fox News, Obama seemed utterly hazy as to what board he was on with Ayers, offering this:
Now, Mr. Ayres [Ayers] is a 60 plus year old individual who lives in my neighborhood, who did something that I deplore 40 years ago when I was six or seven years old. By the time I met him, he was a professor of education at the University of Illinois.
We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education, who worked for Mayor Daley. Mayor Daley, the same Mayor Daley probably who when he was a state attorney prosecuted Mr. Ayress wife for those activities, I (INAUDIBLE) the point is that to somehow suggest that in any way I endorse his deplorable acts 40 years ago, because I serve on a board with him.
Baffling - neither the Woods Fund of Chicago nor the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund could reasonably be described as working for Mayor Daley; the Leadership Council of the Chicago Public Schools Education Fund fits that description, but it was the elder Ayers and the other Ayers who served with Obama on that board. There is a theory that Obama is pretty tight with the Ayers family, so maybe that caused his confusion.
Finally, the Obama website presents a "Fact Check on Clinton Attacks on Obama and Ayers" which makes no mention of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund. OK, given the fame of Annenberg's FactCheck organization, maybe this was a subconscious cry for recognition. But where is the transparency?
(2) The second emerging theme in this Ayers drama is, what about shared values? OK, so Barack was eight years old when Ayers was blowing things up. But Ayers brings a very, hmm, progressive mindset to his educational agenda, or so I glean from the Ayers website (or this panel presentation). So, does Barack share these views? Seems like a fair question, since Ayers helped found a group Barack promptly chaired.
We have moved a long way past the notion that Ayers was just some guy from Barack's neighborhood who happened to host a fundraiser for him in 1995 and later overlapped with him on a charity board. How much farther this story will move, and how much assistance Barack will provide in moving it, remains to be seen.
C'MON - I enjoy this drollery from the hardworking and surely underpaid chaps at Hot Air:
The obvious exit question: How closely did Obama and Ayers work together at the Challenge? It may be that they had little contact, that Ayerss role ended in setting the thing up and he was sufficiently uninvolved in day to day operations that Obama sincerely forgot he was associated with the program.
Obama is a bit young to be having memory problems; surely he anticipated an Ayers question and gave the topic some thought. And in fact, he did describe an education-related board, not the Woods Fund board.
DIG IN: Background on the Annenberg Challenge; a final report on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge experience (271 page .pdf).
THIS WILL BECOME IMPORTANT: Some history of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge:
Having secured Annenberg funding for Chicago, the working group would soon evolve into a more formal organization, albeit with strong ties to the groups that wrote the grant proposal. Initially run out of shared space in the offices of the Cross-City Campaign and administered through an existing philanthropic organization called the Donors Forum, the Chicago Challenge soon became its own new foundation with status as an independent fiscal agent. By late 1995, Ken Rolling had been named executive director, a board of directors had been established, and the first round of grants had been awarded. Rolling lacked experience in education but came from the foundation world and was well-versed in community organizing. The board, which was intended to set policy, raise matching funds, and hire an executive director, included prominent educators and business leaders. A second entity, the newly-created Chicago School Reform Collaborative, was also established. Its twenty-plus members were elected from the group of educators and advocates who had helped shape the grant proposal. Initially, at least, this offshoot of the working group functioned as the operations arm of the Chicago Challenge. However, this situation created procedural and ethical concerns and in time the Collaborative was transformed into an advisory body.
Ayers was one of the three original leaders of the working group and eventually co-chaired the Chicago School Reform Collaborative (see his resume). His early involvement:
When three of Chicago's most prominent education reform leaders met for lunch at a Thai restaurant six years ago to discuss the just-announced $500 million Annenberg Challenge, their main goal was to figure out how to ensure that any Annenberg money awarded to Chicago "didn't go down the drain," said William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago. Ayers, who was at that lunch table in late 1993, helped write the successful Chicago grant application.
The point is that Ayers led the way in securing the Annenberg grant, then co-chaired the Collaborative, which was instrumental in the operation of the Chicago Challenge. It is not likely Barack Obama, as chair of the Board of Directors of the Challenge, was not working closely with the co-chair of the collaborative. At any rate, it is not at all plausible that he could have been unaware of Ayers' role and later forgotten it.
I see trouble in paradise as "Hope and change" morphs to "Hope we can change the subject."
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
France has learned it. England is learning it. Socialism is Suicide!
Our Constitution, based on Biblical truths, and the government which the forebears devised worked! It was when socialistic measures were devised in the thirties (by a left wing faction, and by secret societies) that we began to wobble.
And now being rendered even more insecure by an openly seditious Congress, pseudo gas prices, no border policy, and unfair trade practices, Obama, the viper, strikes. And the unread public is mesmerized!
If ever a nation needed prayer, it is America, and it is now!
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posted on
06/03/2008 12:10:04 PM PDT
by
Paperdoll
( on the cutting edge)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Pfleger is a very serious Christian and takes the words of Jesus Christ at their most literal" Like hell he does. Anyone so full of hate hasn't a clue what Christ preached.
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Excellent stuff here- thanks :)
It is STILL amazing, simply amazing to me that this man has reached as far, as fast as he’s done.
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posted on
06/03/2008 12:19:38 PM PDT
by
SE Mom
(Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
To: SE Mom
You might think he was carefully selected and moved ahead....
From another Blog:
Obama Served As Chairman Of Ayers Created Chicago Annenberg Challenge
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April, 28, 2008 nicedeb
Just One Minute has been doing some fact checking on Obamas relationship with unrepentant Weatherman Underground member, William Ayers.
As most of you know, Obama has repeatedly characterized his relationship with Ayers as insignificant
they lived in the same neighborhood, served on the same board
purely coincidental connections, (which doesnt at all explain why he held a 1995 campaign event at the home of Ayers and his wife, fellow former terrorist Bernardine Dohrn).
Now, it appears that Obama and Ayers had a working relationship (friendship) that predates their work together on the Woods Fund of Chicago board.
Barack Obama has a new entanglement with unrepentant Weatherman Bill Ayers which I detail below. The gist is this - back in the mid-90s Bill Ayers was instrumental in the creation and early operation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an effort committed to the reform of Chicagos public schools. Barack Obama was Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which suggests he worked closely with Ayers for several years.
Yet in his recent nationally televised appearances and at his website, Obama fails to mention this Ayers entanglement. Why so coy? Its hard to believe he actually forgot his executive role in this important foray into public policy; that said, the Chicago Challenge foundered on the hard rocks of Chicago politics and was widely viewed as ineffective, so perhaps he would prefer not to highlight his failure to bring people together and produce real change.
Or maybe Obama was a do-nothing figurehead who honestly forgot that Bill Ayers was running the show. Awkward spin, that. In any case, there is also a question of shared values. Ayers brings a highly progressive approach to education - dare we ask whether Obama shares his values?
See Just One Minute for details and plenty of background links.
Heres the segment of Obamas interview on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace where he deals with his relationships with Reverend Wright, and William Ayers. The Ayers portion doesnt start until about 7:28 in.
Heres one place where my B.S. Detector started going off:
We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education, who worked for Mayor Daley.
Nobody is suggesting that the board was full of notorious thugs like Ayers, but Republicans? Are we supposed to believe that The Woods Fund of Chicago is a bipartisan organization? I suppose
but I decided to check the political affiliations of its members to see if that panned out, anyway.
Heres a list of Woods Fund Members:
Accessed April 2008:
Staff
- Deborah Harrington* - President
- Suzanne R. Boyle*- Treasurer
- Consuella L. Brown - Program Director
- Deborah D. Clark - Grants and Operations Manager
- Jeffrey T. Pinzino - Program Officer
Board of Directors and Officers
- Laura S. Washington, Board Chair* - Ida B. Wells-Barnett University Professor and Fellow of the DePaul Humanities Center
- Jesus G. Garcia, Vice Chair* - Executive Director, Little Village Community Development Corporation
- William C. Ayers - Distinguished Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago
- Lee Bey- Director of Media and Governmental Affairs, Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill LLP
- Doris Salomon Chagin- Category Manager - Ethnic Markets, BP Products North America
- Beth E. Richie - Professor and Head of the Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago
- Patrick M. Sheahan - Executive Director, Public Affairs, UBS Investment Bank
- Charles N. Wheatley - President, Sahara Enterprises, Inc.
- Lucia Woods Lindley - Board Member Emeritus
Other Officers
- Kristin Patton* - Secretary
I give up. I couldnt find any Republicans in the 2008 group. I either found them to be donors to Democrat candidates, or I found their bios to contain all the earmarks of Democrat activism, without being able to prove it, (I didnt link to those). I doubt Id find any Republicans in the 2001 group, either:
People (2001)
Staff:
- Ricardo A. Millett - President
- Todd Dietterle - Vice President - Program Director, Community Organizing Program
- Deborah Harrington - Program Director, Enabling Work and Reducing Poverty
- Phillip Thomas - Program Officer
- Sally E. Gonzelez - Grants and Operations Manager
Board of Directors
- Howard J. Stanback- Board Chair - Manager, New Kenwood, LLC
- Maria G. Valdez - Board Vice Chair - Attorney-at-Law Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund
- William C. Ayers - Distinguished Professor Of Education, University Of Illinois At Chicago
- Cynthia M. Campbell- President, Mccormick Theological Seminary
- R. Eden Martin - President, Civic Committee And The Commercial Club
- Barack Obama - State Senator And University Of Chicago School Of Law
- Charles N. Wheatley - President, Sahara Enterprises, Inc.
- Suzanne Boyle, Board Treasurer
- Kristin Patton, Board Secretary
I may do some more investigating later, but color me skeptical of the idea that there have more than one or two token Republican Woods Fund members in the whole history of its existence.
To: All
A Link from the Nice Deb Article just above is interesting....
Salon War Room:
Kinsley: Obama shouldn't be linked with Ayers
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By Alex Koppelman
Friday, May 30, 2008 18:15 EDT
Kinsley: Obama shouldn't be linked with Ayers
The connection between Barack Obama and former Weather Underground members Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, slightly tenuous though it may be, has already become something of an issue in this campaign, and it will no doubt only get more attention as we get closer to the fall. In a recent column, Michael Kinsley made a preemptive attack against the issue, calling it "absurd."
The connection between Obama and the Weather Underground members certainly isn't as strong as, say, Obama's connection to his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But there is a bit of a link -- specifically, as Edward McClelland noted in an article for Salon, "One of [Obama's] first campaign events was at the home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn ... Obama later served with Ayers on the board of the Woods Fund, which supports projects in poor Chicago communities."
Kinsley's argument isn't that Ayers and Dohrn should be forgiven for their past, or that their connection to Obama is too shaky to be worth discussing, though he does correctly call it "tangential." Instead, he writes:
In America we believe in redemption and even self-reinvention. And we don't usually require stagy Stalinesque recantations. But Dohrn and Ayers test the limits of that generosity. They remain spectacularly unrepentant ... When it became clear even to them that there would not be violent revolution in America, Ayers and Dohrn shrugged and rejoined society in Chicago, where he had grown up. It wasn't difficult. While he was in hiding, his father was CEO of Commonwealth Edison, the big utility. Ayers the elder sat on every Establishment board in town -- Northwestern, the Tribune Co., the Chicago Symphony. Ayers the younger and his wife were welcomed back into the fold ... They set off bombs and talked about killing their parents, and the Chicago establishment didn't even care ...
To: SunkenCiv
Got some background stuff on Obama,..Pfleger...and some new (to me ) connections with Ayers.....
To: Grampa Dave; SE Mom; LS; Marine_Uncle; MtnClimber
To: All
To: All
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Could it be that just maybe these ilks, Ayers, Wright etal have a prearranged deal with the GREAT OBAMA that they know he will talk as if they are all just nodding acquaintances yet once he gets into that greatest of all powerful positions,President of the US, that they will then all come out of the woodwork like termites, unite and poke the American public in the eye? Sad thing is, those of us who do research this Obamanation will have seen this coming and those who supported and put him in office will be the first and loudest to complain.
To: Beckwith; AliVeritas; george76
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posted on
06/03/2008 3:40:41 PM PDT
by
Fred Nerks
(FAIR DINKUM!)
To: Fred Nerks
” Pfleger is a very serious Christian and takes the words of Jesus Christ at their most literal...”
??
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posted on
06/03/2008 3:57:41 PM PDT
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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