Posted on 05/25/2008 1:36:54 AM PDT by LibWhacker
another victim of childhood vaccinations. (well that is what I have read on numerous postings).
Already got it.
Guilty.
Forgiven!
...is not the question!
Maybe you can answer...
I would ask you why she should be the "people's" burden, rather than the family that brought her forth, AT ANY TIME OF HER LIFE?
As a Christian I believe in charity. But, charity begins at home. It comes from a heart willing to help. That is not the same as gum't confiscating a portion of your wealth, to spend on vote buying! Is this how tax money should be spent, supposed conservatives?
I don't even think we need a Dept of Education, so why should we have special needs requirements? Oh, yeah...
As Rush says so often..."follow the ..."
Teachers in your state/district get more money if special needs students are mainstreamed into their classrooms?
Children can often be cruel enough to others who are different -- they certainly don't need encouragement or to be given an open forum to engage in it.
LOL. You do know “forgiven” doesn’t mean you get to behave any way you want because you’re “forgiven”. We will all still be accountable.
Truth is there are a lot of people who don’t have kids in publik skool who don’t believe THEY should have to fund YOUR offspring either. Yet part of their paycheck gets stolen to do that very thing.
Yep. The one I know of did.
So, for the benfit of a single child , the rest of the kids get to be role models, no matter the cost to their already failing education? Not for me.
As a kindergarten aide, I know first hand how much attention I have to devote to the special needs child that is being mainstreamed (dx and all!). If I turn my back to help another student...just to answer one question, I see a pencil whizz past my face in the direction of the other student. How about the child that doesn't get the teacher's attention immediately and starts banging his head against the wall? Shall the other students learn this sort of behavior from the special needs child? 5 year olds, after all, are great immitators and if the special needs child gets his way all the time doing these things, the others pick up on very quickly!
I don't know what state pays a teacher more money for any special needs children in their class. In CA, there is only your regular salary. Some are not even offered an extra aide because there is no money in the coffers for an extra salary
I do believe that some individual school districts may have a higher base salary in high crime areas. But that goes for all salaries at that school.
Or perhaps they are a two income family up to their ears in debt and cannot give up one income...I don't pretend to know.
But the teacher could have had him removed from her class without the humiliation. That wasn't necessary.
If you can, put yourself in the shoes of a five year old kid (generally oblivious, anyway) and try to imagine what it would be like to be treated thus and banished, never to return.
If his misbehaviour is a result of an organic disorder, as I said, the treatment is obscene.
As a kindergarten aide, I know first hand how much attention I have to devote to the special needs child that is being mainstreamed (dx and all!). If I turn my back to help another student...just to answer one question, I see a pencil whizz past my face in the direction of the other student. How about the child that doesn't get the teacher's attention immediately and starts banging his head against the wall? Shall the other students learn this sort of behavior from the special needs child? 5 year olds, after all, are great immitators and if the special needs child gets his way all the time doing these things, the others pick up on very quickly!”
You must have missed the last paragraph of my post 118. I said:
“And some will need to be pulled out of even a lab setting, and tranquilized. You've run into adults like that, in your life, I'm sure. I certainly have.”
Peer pressure CAN be your friend. It isn't always. What works for one child may not, for some other child. There is NO single way to deal with children, which you know as a Kindergarten aide.
We don't get any extra money or assistance in my state either.
How could she have had him removed?
The article says he's spent most of the year in the principal's office for misbehavior, and had just been sent back from there when this incident occurred.
How would the teacher have gotten this child removed, and where would he have gone instead?
This type of behavior just makes me sick. I have Asperger’s, so I know it is difficult enough to deal with without having an idiot teacher pull a stunt like this.
Sounds like a repeat of Hitlers Germany, only blond hair and blue eyes are allowed.
Out of curiousity, in what field is your career?
Very well stated.
I just wish they would do it the right way. Some special needs kids just take off & excel in a regular classroom. But others just crash & burn. And often even then they refuse to change it. It’s an incredibly frustrating experience. Some kids just function better in a special education school. There’s nothing wrong with that. They claim to want to do what’s in the best interest of the child but the rules are so rigid (at least my own personal experience) they will not bend.
Many of these (mainstream) teachers don’t have the education, understanding & patience required to handle these kids. Having a teaching certificate doesn’t alway mean one is qualified to teach. As we listen to news reports lately that’s become very clear.
And yes homeschoolers are required to keep records & comply with compulsory attendance laws as well as having them complete a standardized test each year. Of course not all parents are able to do this. People have to work. Everyone can’t afford to pay for a private school. So often the system is “all there is” for most people. That system is in serious need of an overhaul.
No, I'm afraid that THE problem is that too many people still don't know what to do when a child doesn't respond to the normal ways of getting them to behave. Some kids respond well to getting smacked. Others do not. Some will do nearly anything for a hug, or a piece of candy or gum. By law, every child with a confirmed disability must have an IEP. That is “INDIVIDUALIZED education program.” The parents do have input, but sometimes it's hard to go against what the district wants to do. I've been on both sides of the table during IEP meetings, and it helps to have some prepared options. We used to go with up to four pages of things we'd like to try for our son, who has Asperger’s Syndrome. We knew we couldn't get all of it, or even much of it, but it smoothed things out considerably to have them be able to pick and choose a few of them, to try.
Here is a website that advises parents, teachers, and administrators on Special Education law. http://www.wrightslaw.com/
It tends to the adversarial, but gives good advice to all.
Part of the problem is that the law requires kids to receive a “free, appropriate, public education” or FAPE, in the LRE, or “least restrictive environment.” For some kids, that LRE is the regular classroom, and for others, a self-contained, and very restrictive environment like a hospital. The law requires, also, that you try less-restrictive environments, first. Regular class, then maybe regular class with aide, or pull-out for lab, etc., before you put someone in a class with two desks and a teacher. Least restrictive is also least costly. If they aren't doing this on an individual basis, trying to do what is best for the kid, they are breaking the law, and wasting time and $$$.
BTW, most places don't have “special education schools” for other than deaf or blind students, anymore. They have classrooms in regular schools.
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