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AP IMPACT: Leaky New Orleans levee alarms experts
SF Gate ^ | 5/21/08 | CAIN BURDEAU

Posted on 05/21/2008 5:19:49 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

Despite more than $22 million in repairs, a levee that broke with catastrophic effect during Hurricane Katrina is leaking again because of the mushy ground on which New Orleans was built, raising serious questions about the reliability of the city's flood defenses.

Outside engineering experts who have studied the project told The Associated Press that the type of seepage spotted at the 17th Street Canal in the Lakeview neighborhood afflicts other New Orleans levees, too, and could cause some of them to collapse during a storm.

The Army Corps of Engineers has spent about $4 billion so far of the $14 billion set aside by Congress to repair and upgrade the metropolitan area's hundreds of miles of levees by 2011. Some outside experts said the leak could mean that billions more will be needed and that some of the work already completed may need to be redone.

"It is all based on a 30-year-old defunct model of thinking, and it means that when they wake up to this one — really — our cost is going to increase significantly," said Bob Bea, a civil engineer at the University of California at Berkeley.

The Army Corps of Engineers disputed the experts' dire assessment. The agency said it is taking the risk of seepage into account and rebuilding the levees with an adequate margin of safety.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: billons; leaking; levees; nola
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1 posted on 05/21/2008 5:19:49 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

It’s W’s fault. He really ought to be down there inspecting those leevees and the repair work going on.


2 posted on 05/21/2008 5:22:22 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Dawnsblood

ENOUGH ALREADY!

Move the city to higher ground...

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...


3 posted on 05/21/2008 5:26:18 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Dawnsblood
The agency said it is taking the risk of seepage into account and rebuilding the levees with an adequate margin of safety.

Isn't that what this bureaucrat-laden "agency" said about the levees in the first place?

Once again, politics, bureaucracy, and mismanagement is going cost the American taxpayer billions of dollars - and all of it pi$$ed down the drain to save a sinking cesspool of demoncrap corruption.

4 posted on 05/21/2008 5:29:01 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: kellynla

Move the city.


5 posted on 05/21/2008 5:31:17 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Dawnsblood

New Orleans sits on a deep layer of mud and river silt. There is no bedrock for a hundred feet down in some places. If the water pressure on the water side of the levee gets high enough, the water will just flow UNDER the levee until it undermines it


6 posted on 05/21/2008 5:32:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Dawnsblood

For the life of me I do not understand why were people allowed to rebuild under sea level?


7 posted on 05/21/2008 5:32:56 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Dawnsblood

Bbbbut they have such a nice model of the ribba.


8 posted on 05/21/2008 5:33:08 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Dawnsblood
The Army Corps of Engineers has spent about $4 billion so far

Just like our education system, all it needs is more money and it will continue to be mushy.

9 posted on 05/21/2008 5:33:43 PM PDT by taxesareforever (We'll never forget Matt Maupin and his service to our country.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Rebuilt the city on a slurry wall like the bathtub surrouding the World Trade Center.


10 posted on 05/21/2008 5:34:12 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: kellynla

It is crazy to live below the water level that way AND expect
the rest of the country to pay for it.


11 posted on 05/21/2008 5:34:51 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: tet68

Lollin’ Lollin’ Lollin down da liva


12 posted on 05/21/2008 5:36:38 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: kellynla

It can’t be moved, in real terms - I mean, you could evacuate the city, raze it, condemn the land, and commercial interests would put it right back. (Actually, that might have been cheaper...)

Port cities exist for a reason.


13 posted on 05/21/2008 5:38:14 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: kellynla

“ENOUGH ALREADY!”

Exactly. The parts of this city that are not above sea level should be permanently condemned. The idea that we the taxpayers will rebuild public housing below sea level is absolutely offensive.

It is ironic to look at the parallels between the city and the welfare system that is so entrenched there. Both are built on faulty foundations/premises and ultimately lead to failure no matter how much money the taxpayers spend on them.


14 posted on 05/21/2008 5:38:33 PM PDT by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: rmlew
Constructing a bathtub like the WTC used is fine when you're accommodating a multi-billion-dollar structure. It's insane for Section 8 housing.

The tourist zone French Quarter is above the water line. The below-water parts should be abandoned as unviable

15 posted on 05/21/2008 5:40:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: patton
...commercial interests would put it right back.

Not if the taxpayers quit subsidizing flood insurance.

16 posted on 05/21/2008 5:41:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Actually, the commercial part of a port is darn hard to mess up.

Concrete slabs don’t NEED flood insurance.


17 posted on 05/21/2008 5:48:31 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: patton

“Port cities exist for a reason.”

I don’t disagree. It is a vital port without question.

However, I don’t think the workers needed to operate the port live in public housing. We (the taxpayers) should not be paying to rebuild and maintain public housing below sea level.

Do you not believe we can keep the port without public housing?


18 posted on 05/21/2008 5:49:14 PM PDT by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: volunbeer

In fact, I do agree.

And I proposed years ago, that the solution to NOLA is to turn it into a commercial landfill.

It would solve all sorts of problems.

Fill in with trash between the levees, compact it, build the new port on top.


19 posted on 05/21/2008 5:52:44 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: patton
Concrete slabs don’t NEED flood insurance.

True, but that's inconsistent with "...evacuate the city, raze it, condemn the land,..."

20 posted on 05/21/2008 5:53:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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