Posted on 05/18/2008 7:36:17 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Sorry to rain on everybody’s parade, but this isn’t a good thing.
Of course, I have already explained why I believe that civil unions would be better for us than gay marriage. I have also explained why at this point I don’t want gay marriage at all. (For those of you who don’t want to click, I can sum it up: 1) no-fault divorce, 2) alimony and 3) Terri Schiavo.)
Had California’s state legislature passed a law, I wouldn’t be complaining. I still wouldn’t be getting married, for the reasons I referred to above, but I’d have no objection to the ruling. Yes, I think we’d be better off with civil unions instead of gay marriage, but after what’s been done to heterosexual marriage for the last several decades, that wouldn’t really make that much difference. With no-fault divorce, an abandonment of all traditional obligations of husbands and wives to each other, and outrageously unfair alimony settlements, queers getting hitched in a couple of states is the least of the problems marriage has.
But this is a case of judicial activism, which, in case you don’t know, is bad. The courts are not supposed to decide what the laws will be, they are supposed to apply the laws that have been made by the people who were chosen by the voters to make them. When judges start taking it upon themselves to decide what the laws will be, they might decide anything, like that corporations have the right to force individuals to sell their homes to them, or that sluts have the right to murder the children who result from their irresponsible behavior if they don’t feel like looking after them.
If we’re going to have gay marriage, let’s do it through the proper channels, please.
I’m glad they did it before this election. Maybe some of the conservatives out there will wake up a bit and take advantage of this gift that the arrogant Supreme Court of CA has given us. I’m not for either civil unions or gay marriage. It is unnecessary. If one wants to have a legal arrangement for the transfer of property etc. there are already legal options available. Also power of attorney can be granted to non-family members so that someone who is not your legal spouse can take care of your hospital concerns etc. So much of what the left demands is a smoke screen. Just give me this little bit and I’ll be happy. We’ll they are never happy and where they have gained the most ground they have forced their views on transexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality into the classroom and parents can not exempt their children in places like Massachusetts if they choose to let their kids attend public school.
weird.
LOL... Let me guess: it does no allow big animals during ‘intercourse’ or it limits the ‘marriage’ to only two of... Well... of whatever :)
And here I thought the homosexual community opposed legalized same sex marriage becuase they consider marriage to be a phony institutionalized construct to begin with.
“Why would I want one of THOSE?!!!”
Now their “accepting” parents are going to pressure them to get married and may even try to arrange them a partner (of same or opposite sex).
Is Tammy Bruce slumming?
Seriously, I’m with the conservative pundits who say that gay marriage is the last thing most gays would want. If and when it becomes legal, their employers would dump civil unions and force them to marry or else. For people who (notable exceptions notwithstanding) are notorious for ephemeral relationships exposing themselves to the joys of divorce and alimony this would be the end of the paradise.
The law california passed is akin to selling breeder mules.
"When judges start taking it upon themselves to decide what the laws will be, they might decide anything, like that corporations have the right to force individuals to sell their homes to them" (to private commercial intersests)", or that sluts have the right to murder the children who result from their irresponsible behavior if they don’t feel like looking after them."
That’s what I was wondering, is Tammy Bruce doing some freelance writing? I didn’t see an author’s name on the linked source-article, just “Brunette Republican Sex Kitten”.
A few Boy Toys getting alimony and large settlements from wealthy Chicken Hawks will slow this stuff down. Watch they will ask for special laws when it comes to divorce.
I get exasperated by the way the California ruling gets summarized in the news: "California today legalized gay marriage." No, California didn't. A handful of judges exercised legislative power -- that should sound like an oxymoron because it is. And we're the morons for putting up with it.
Well you know what they say, if you are old and liberal you have no head. Gays are getting old.
They want to get married, have kids, go to church and have lower taxes. OMG they are turning into Republicans!!!!
Gays want acceptance of their lifestyle as that of being normal; case closed. Ain’t gonna happen.
Uhh... TTIWWP.
I have a lesbian co-worker who is a democrat, I think would totally agree with this sentiment. Hard to believe there actually are any reasonable dems left in this country.
The most immediate impact is that CA employers will now have to provide health insurance to all the gay spouses. Insurance rates for all will go up.
“They want to get married, have kids, go to church and have lower taxes. OMG they are turning into Republicans!!!!”
Well, conversely, does it follow then that Republicans who are voting to raise taxes are turning into liberals and queers?
Because non-lesbians cannot possibly possess the intelligence to make the same arguments. What a travesty the Left has made public discourse in America today.
Unfortunately, I believe you are mistaken. In places, to include California, the homosexuals now propagandize our children as early as age 5 in our schools. By voting age they are fully committed to the homosexual agenda.
Godspeed
a dyke argues for the sanctity of marriage.Most homosexuals don't care about marriage per se. They want the benefits that come from it. i.e. the ability to visit your partner in the hospital, be on your partner's health insurance etc...weird.
There's also considerable opinion in the gay community that they don't *want* the normative aspects of marriage, just the benefits of a civil union. It's a remarkably contentious issue. Even in the gay community.
The author brings up an interesting point. While we are focused on same sex marriage, we should also draw attention to the wreckage produced by no-fault divorce, especially when children are involved. It has had a negative effect on a lot of adults as well. In Virginia, a law was proposed this year that would have required consent of both parties to a divorce if there were children under 18 involved. In other words, if a couple has children under 18, no-fault divorce no longer applies. I can already hear the objections, but you have to ask which option does the least amount of harm.
There is an organization called Americans for Divorce Reform, Inc. which can be found at http://patriot.net/~crouch/adr/index.html This issue needs more publicity.
We are dealing with same sex marriage because of previous changes in heterosexual marriage. In order to fight same sex marriage, we need to alter the laws governing heterosexual marriage. Changing divorce laws would be a start, in any event.
Same sex marriage lends an air of credibility to a perverted lifestyle and cheapens the whole idea behind marriage.
you get all that without marriage, so there must be some other agenda for the gay community to push for marriage.
They are not happy to have their own party, they have to ruin ours as well in order to feel good about themselves.
Sounds like the author doesn't want to take the chance that her "spouse" would have the right to put her to death, if deemed "unworthy of life" (that's how I interpret the "Terry Schiavo" reference).
Sounds like the author doesn't want to take the chance that her "spouse" would have the right to put her to death, if deemed "unworthy of life" (that's how I interpret the "Terry Schiavo" reference).That too.
you get all that without marriage, so there must be some other agenda for the gay community to push for marriage. They are not happy to have their own party, they have to ruin ours as well in order to feel good about themselves.How many homos do you actually know? They do have a point in that, if society is not going to actively persecute them, we might as well let them see each other at the hospital and share bank accounts.
Saves all the kerfuffle over marriage too.
Ronald Reagan raised taxes 6 times as president, does that make him queer?
we might as well let them see each other at the hospital
Actually, getting rid of the senseless regulations, policies and laws that interfere with the freedom of people of whatever sort would go a long way to getting rid of the issue of same sex marriage. I have had personal experience with the "only family members can visit" at the hospital rule. A close friend of mine was whisked to the ER by ambulance after he collapsed on the way home from surgery at another hospital. His wife called me to go watch over him while she dropped her kids off with the grandparents since she didn't want them present in what we all thought could well be a very sad moment. When I arrived at the hospital and explained the story nobody would allow me anywhere near my friend until I refused to give them the folder of medical info. he and his wife had received at the first hospital.
After tense negotiation -- the hospital called their security guards to glare at me the whole time -- and many attempts by the hospital staff to get me to give them the medical records without being allowed to see my friend I finally prevailed. They couldn't come up with an argument as to why I should give them another guy's "medical records" without his permission. So I got to go inside, supposedly just long enough to get my friend's permission.
When I got there he was mighty glad to see me, and I was able to see that he was just parked in a hallway, being offered next to no care. Maybe that's why the hospital was in no hurry to let me in.
Once I was with him we hatched a simple plan - he told the first nurse who went by that he was very glad his "family" had arrived, and I was able to stay with him until his wife arrived.
He recovered, but I learned a big lesson in how stupid rules and policies cause suffering. No doubt hospitals need to be able to control who goes in and out to visit with patients, but if they used common sense, as a society we wouldn't be hearing that one reason same sex couples need the legal protection of marriage is so they can visit their partners in the hospital.
They know they will most likely not be accepted by the public; so they illegally use the court system.
Why is the government is the business of marriage... in the first place?
That’s between you, your partner (wife/husband), your clergyman, and G-d.
Why the heck is the government regulating the functions of the church?
(not to mention this whole ‘gay marriage’ cr@p wouldn’t even exist without the government inteference into marriage)
The queers should just shut up and stop promoting their degenerate lifestyle.
I disagree they are entirely different things. Same sex marriage is an aberration and no amount of dysfunction in heterosexual relationships will make the endorsement of such ridiculous practice a good idea. Somewhere along the line the train jumped the tracks. Homosexuality as a behavior and as a lifestyle is very detrimental especially to those involved. Every vice that heterosexuals experience in sexual relationships is magnified to an even greater degree in Homosexual ones. Cheating, violence, abuse of minors, suicide,stds, drug use, alcohol abuse, etc are all represented to a much greater degree than is every present in heterosexual relationships.
Homosexual activists and their apologists always what to shift blame and shift focus. Male Homosexuality is such a disgusting practice that if people were allowed to really understand why they contract so many diseases related to contact with human waste products that there would not be any talk of accepting the vile behavior. Instead we see these immaculate well groomed young men who look as if they have never had a hair out of place let alone actually use a restroom.
I have a friend who has a severe lower intestinal infection because of his lifestyle...I had another who was beaten and run over (he died) because he tried to get some rednecks high and pick them up. A lesbian I know spends so much time depressed and trying to pick up straight girls that she is barely functional. I knew another like that who pretended to be a boy to pick up girls and then went crazy when then discovered the truth and wanted nothing to do with her. Homosexuality is NOT what is seen on TV. The lifestyle is a lie and it is my experience that the people involved are either predators, abused, or emotional broken.
I’m more interested that these individuals get the help they need to find peace rather than endorse the myth that is put forth by modern gay activism. The predators among them especially are a indeed a velvet mafia, angry and bitter and who aim to have fresh meat to satisfy their endless sexual desires. They want to twist everyone’s world view of sex to their dark abhorrent one. That is why they push their control into public schools and attack any organization that might question them and their behavior.
We should not be considering giving in to civil unions. Where did they prove that it is any advantage to us or even fair? Every person has the same right to marry a member of the opposite sex. No law forbids individuals from living out their life with someone they are not married to. The world has survived just fine and far less complicated with out satisfying the peculiarities of the minority dejour. Especially one that is so severely dysfunctional by definition.
Good post. Good understanding. Note, that many, but not all homosexuals, idolize and seek out young heterosexuals. You noted that, even though it is seldom spoken of or discussed.
exactly.
Good post. Good understanding. Note, that many, but not all homosexuals, idolize and seek out young heterosexuals. You noted that, even though it is seldom spoken of or discussed.Many? I think that's an overstatement. I know 20+ male homosexuals and they only care about each other. Homosexuals are among the pickiest people I know. Oddly enough the homosexuals I know have great pride in hooking up their hetero friends.
I've met a homo pervert or two in my life, but it's almost always been an isolated, random encouter, not in the context of the greater gay community. Homosexuals don't like weirdos either.
:)... Exactly right. That is what I have been saying about "true conservatives." You know, the ones who care about everything under the sun except 'social-values.' If we remove the 'morality/social-values' component as part of being a "full conservative" then half of the homos in homosexual pride parade could probably pass as "conservatives." That is why a big deal of differentiating between 'conservatives' and 'social conservatives' (conservative values + social values).
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