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MILITARY: Pilot raves about Marine Corps' latest aircraft
NC TIMES ^ | May 17, 2008 10:28 PM PDT | MARK WALKER

Posted on 05/18/2008 7:18:34 AM PDT by Dubya

Al ASAD AIR BASE, Iraq ---- Capt. Zachary Webb says he has no qualms about the Marine Corps' newest aircraft, the tilt-rotor V-22 Osprey that takes off and lands like a helicopter and flies like an airplane.

"This aircraft is a Corvette," the 29-year-old native of Orange said Thursday during an interview on this sprawling air base centrally located in Iraq's Anbar province. "It can go from zero to 220 knots from takeoff until 9,000 feet."

Webb is part of the first generation of Marine Corps pilots to fly the controversial aircraft after it went into service in the fall.

Before it did, the Osprey was dogged by fatal accidents and cost overruns, prompting critics to call for its cancellation. Marine Corps commanders stuck with the Osprey, despite the deaths of more than two dozen Marines, sailors and private contractors in crashes during its development.

But standing on the tarmac at Al Asad with several Ospreys stationed along the flight line, Webb said he loves the new aircraft he flies almost every day during his assignment in Iraq.

"It's new, it's different, and it does everything we ask it to," said the former CH-46 helicopter pilot. "It allows us to get the Marines where they need to be faster and safer. It's just a wonderful platform that's proving itself every day out here."

A member of the VMM 162 "Golden Eagles" squadron out of New River, N.C., Webb's unit recently replaced the first squadron of pilots to fly the Osprey in everyday duty.

Critics such as former Pentagon procurement specialist Phil Coyle contend that even though the aircraft's first assignment is occurring in a combat environment, the aircraft is not being asked to do much more than routine taxi service.

But the man overseeing the Osprey and all other Marine Corps aircraft in Anbar, where the Marines and not the Air Force control the airspace, dismisses those assertions.

That man is Brig. Gen. Randolph "Tex" Alles, commander of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (Forward) from Miramar Marine Corps Air Station.

Alles recently received two more Ospreys at Al Asad, raising the count of the aircraft now in Iraq from 10 to 12.

"The Osprey is doing everything from run-of-the-mill missions such as carrying supplies and ferrying people around Iraq to supporting the most dangerous combat operations," Alles said during an interview in his office at the base command post.

Alles said the Osprey has averaged a 70 percent readiness rate, in part with the help of private maintenance contractors.

"It gives us speed, it gives us altitude, and it's good in high-threat zones," the lanky general said of the Osprey that can carry up to 24 combat-equipped troops. "It's also a very good airplane in brownout conditions, unlike our helicopters that have difficulty during sandstorms because of the dust they kick up."

Speed is the greatest asset of the Osprey, doubling the average speed of the Vietnam-era CH-46 and CH-53 helicopters by flying at more than 250 mph.

The Marine Corps spent several billion dollars more than planned to iron out problems during the Osprey's development phase. But for pilots such as Webb, the aircraft's torturous route into service is in the past.

"The Osprey is faster, smoother and a lot more comfortable than the CH-46," the 29-year-old aviator said.

It has another feature that can be invaluable in the hot deserts of Iraq.

"Unlike our other helicopters, it has air conditioning to keep the Marines comfortable when they're riding back here," Webb said as he showed off the interior of the Boeing and Bell Helicopter built aircraft.

The Osprey is not yet flying in Afghanistan's sweltering central and southern plain deserts, nor rugged mountainous areas near the Pakistani border where Marines began conducting operations last month for the first time since shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

The Army's Blackhorse helicopter is carrying the bulk of that duty, although Marine commanders say they could move the Osprey into the Afghanistan theater of operations if necessary.

Gen. James Conway, commandant of the Marine Corps, recently announced that Miramar will be home to the West Coast Osprey fleet sometime in late 2009 or early 2010.

Contact staff writer Mark Walker at (760) 740-3529 or mlwalker@nctimes.com.

SNIPPETS

1. It's called a "combat takeoff," and there's nothing that can match it at Disneyland.

When taking off from an airfield in a battle zone such as the coalition military base at Bastion in Afghanistan, C-140 pilots fly low, fast and execute a series of sharp turns.

Think of rocking left and right while seated almost to the point of falling off a chair. Combine that with the ground seemingly just below your feet and higher terrain immediately ahead and you get the idea.

The maneuver is designed so that Taliban or al-Qaida fighters don't have time to see you coming. The lower the aircraft and the faster it's moving and banking, the harder it is to shoot down.

Experiencing the maneuver while strapped in the back of a C-140 wearing a Kevlar vest and helmet leaves an indelible impression.

2. The commanding general of Marine Corps forces on the ground in Iraq's Anbar province says a new generation of more powerful and deadly roadside bombs are being manufactured in Iran.

Camp Pendleton's Maj. John Kelly said last week that despite the U.S. military's inability to conclusively prove the "explosively formed penetrator" bombs are coming from Iran, he has no doubts.

"No matter what anybody tells us," Kelly told the North County Times during an interview in his office at Camp Fallujah.

3. At Ali Al Salem Air Base in Kuwait, concrete bunkers built for the Kuwaiti air force but taken over by the Iraqi air force during the first Gulf War still show bomb damage.

Several of the bunkers spread around the large airfield show evidence of the bombing conducted by the U.S. on the Iraqi planes that were hidden inside the bunkers during the campaign to liberate Kuwait.

4. Whenever Marines travel "outside the wire," the relative security of a fixed base in Iraq of Afghanistan, they don their heavy Kevlar vests and helmets with pistols strapped to a leg and rifles at the ready.

The Marines have a three-word description for it: "Full battle rattle."

5. Smack in the middle of Al Asad Air Base and immediately adjacent to the home of the 7th Iraqi army division housed inside the air base stands a beautiful grove of tall palm trees.

Known these days as "Abraham's Garden," the grove is now fenced off and available to U.S. troops only arranging a tour with the base chaplain.

Iraqi army members can access the site anytime. Over the years of the U.S.'s involvement in Iraq, the site has been known by other names, including the simple Al Asad oasis.

Whatever the name, the site is said to have been a resting spot for Abraham during his travels.


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Speed, agility and comfort cited as hallmarks of controversial Osprey
1 posted on 05/18/2008 7:18:34 AM PDT by Dubya
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To: Dubya

> Speed, agility and comfort cited as hallmarks of controversial Osprey

Now that they seem to have it bedded down properly, they ought to rename it “ZIG”.

MOVE ZIG!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!


2 posted on 05/18/2008 7:23:43 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Dubya
It allows us to get the Marines where they need to be faster and safer... - That seems to be the view of the preponderance of the military. The "controversy" is in the mind of politicians. Yes, there was tragedy during development, but our ground forces need this unique delivery / supply / evac tool.
3 posted on 05/18/2008 7:31:51 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: DieHard the Hunter

All your puns are belong to me.


4 posted on 05/18/2008 7:34:28 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bobsatwork

As long as it works reliably, having something that can come get you when you’re out of range of conventional helicopters, and arrive faster than conventional helicopters, is a VERY GOOD THING


5 posted on 05/18/2008 7:42:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Dubya

If nothing else at least Capt. Webb’s retirement job is secure and waiting for him.


6 posted on 05/18/2008 7:44:27 AM PDT by Seruzawa (A skeleton walks into a bar and asks for a beer and a mop.)
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To: magslinger

Naval Air ping


7 posted on 05/18/2008 7:47:32 AM PDT by ryan71 (Typical bitter white gun toter)
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To: bobsatwork

The history of flight is full of crashes and dead pilots. Sorry to say, but even with our best technology today it still happens. And will continue to happen. No simulation is ever going to replace a trained test pilot wringing out a new airframe. And yep its dangerous work. Worth it? Yep. With our aging fleet of helicopters this aircraft is going to help - a lot.


8 posted on 05/18/2008 7:51:57 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Dubya
“The Army's Blackhorse helicopter” - he he

Inevitably, every civilian writer will find a way to discredit his piece on the military.

9 posted on 05/18/2008 7:59:16 AM PDT by ryan71 (Typical bitter white gun toter)
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To: ryan71

Not to mention the C-140.


10 posted on 05/18/2008 8:01:34 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: PapaBear3625
18 billion plus eats up a lot of other helicopters. I noticed the Marines had zero IED resistant vehicles. IED vehicles have been in use in mine intensive wars for more than 40 years.

However, they are basic technology. Not much profit, nor career building bling. Would of saved a thousand lives and maybe 5 thousand limbs and brain damage. But, 18 billion eats up money. At this rate the investment in the Osprey will pay off in 100 years. Nice calculus.

Ditto the Army.

Ditto my pet peeve, Aimpoint sights for infantry. They came out in the early 70’s, and where used at Song Tay prison raid. Took the Generals almost 20 years to get them to the troops.

11 posted on 05/18/2008 8:04:58 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Dubya

12 posted on 05/18/2008 8:15:55 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Leisler; A.A. Cunningham
18 billion plus eats up a lot of other helicopters. I noticed the Marines had zero IED resistant vehicles. IED vehicles have been in use in mine intensive wars for more than 40 years.

I see your point, and I don't deny that this was an expensive and long program - but it resulted in a vehicle that gives us an advantage, and who knows how many lives that advantage will save in the future.

We are a wealthy country, and we should be able to have BOTH Ospreys AND mine resistant vehicles. We should be able to trim enough lard off of our country's pork-laden budget to get the job done.

Actually, it pisses me off no end that W and the rest of the Rs didn't move heaven and earth to get mine resistant vehicles in theater AS SOON AS THE THREAT MADE ITSELF CLEAR. Mobilizing industry to meet the needs of soldiers is one of the things Presidents must do. W failed that test.

(Oh, yeah, A.A. Cunningham ping to an Osprey article.)

13 posted on 05/18/2008 8:30:21 AM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Leisler
They came out in the early 70’s, and where used at Song Tay prison raid.
I'll bet I've read this book three or four times in the last 20 years. A great story and a great read.

More here --> Son Tay Raider Association

14 posted on 05/18/2008 8:47:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ryan71
“The Army's Blackhorse helicopter” - he he

Inevitably, every civilian writer will find a way to discredit his piece on the military.

yeah, I gave it a WTF? too.

15 posted on 05/18/2008 8:48:23 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Yossarian
Wasn't W's fault. Mine resistant vehicles, and the warfare that has created them, has been, out side of the Fulda Gap, the way wars have been fought for the last fifty years.

We've had five thousand General rank officers, and 50 thousand various analist, think tanks ect since then.
Institutional failure paid for by first term enlisted.

Your argument about the milallocation to the Osprey for the Marines, is what Orwell noted about all socialistic systems. No jam today, jam tomorrow. In other words, yeah, it sucks that the 18 billion ate up newer helicopters or mine resistant vehicles, and if we throw in the helicopter crashes for the last few decades but, someday, somewhere, the Osprey is supposed to make up for the dead. I don't think that day is ever going to happen. Not ever has our or anybody's military had what they wanted, or even needed. All choices should be decided upon the political and physical reality of shortages.

16 posted on 05/18/2008 8:56:20 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: oh8eleven
My company First Sargent was in the book. Murphy. Nice easy going guy from Boston. Basically he gave you all the rope you wanted and said don't F up.
17 posted on 05/18/2008 8:58:19 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Yossarian; Leisler
At this rate the investment in the Osprey will pay off in 100 years. Nice calculus.

A silly statement like that shows how little you know about the topic.

Would of saved a thousand lives and maybe 5 thousand limbs and brain damage.

MRAPs aren't the be all end all that some people think they are.

2 more U.S. soldiers' deaths in Iraq raise doubts about MRAP vehicle

Hopes For Vehicle Questioned After Iraq Blast (Soldier killed by IED while in MRAP)

18 posted on 05/18/2008 8:59:22 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: TADSLOS
I doubt Walker flew on one that belongs to the air force, since I believe the type was retired by them in the late 80s, into or out of Afghanistan but the C/VC-140 did exist and many civilian Jetstars are still flying.


19 posted on 05/18/2008 9:27:14 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Leisler
You forget that when the RATs are Commander in Chief the military is view as a cash cow to buy their social programs. Under Carter the military was cut in half and training was so low that when it did a occur live were lost from being rusty. Under Clinton even more cuts occurred for his ‘Peace Dividend’ that translated into no IED resistant vehicles, no armor packs for Humvees and no personnel body armor for the troops. When 9/11 happened we had to fight with the Army that we had.
20 posted on 05/18/2008 9:30:02 AM PDT by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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