Posted on 05/18/2008 6:46:30 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Bin Laden to issue "very strong" message: website Sun May 18, 2008 9:31am EDT
DUBAI (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden will issue a "very strong" statement to Muslims across the world soon, an Islamist website said on Sunday.
"A very strong statement to the Islamic nation by the lion of Islam sheikh Osama bin Laden," read a banner posted on the al Qaeda-linked website.
The website said the statement would be issued "soon", without giving further details. Such messages usually appear within 72 hours.
In his latest message, posted on Friday to mark Israel's 60th anniversary, bin Laden vowed to continue fighting the Jewish state and its allies in the West.
In a message on March 20, he urged Muslims to maintain the struggle against U.S. forces in Iraq as a path toward "liberating Palestine".
Al Qaeda has vowed attacks on Jews both inside and outside Israel and regularly expresses support for the Palestinians.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Um Mmm. Straight from Hell, no doubt.
If this attention needing clown wants to prove that he is really alive, then lets see some higher quality footage with a camera not made in 1915, okay?
Wright: "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."
http://www.cmaucc.org/EMRJeremiahWright2.pdf
"America’s chickens...
are coming home...
to ROOST!"
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"Why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all should have done a long time ago?"
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August, 2003: Ward Churchill Caught On Tape Advocating Terrorism vs Fellow Americans!
Audio link at Michell Malkin's website (included below)
Question from audience:
You mentioned a little bit ago, "Why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all should have done a long time ago," that's my question.
Churchill: I'm gonna repeat that, tell me if I got that right: Why shouldn't we do something and how do you you move so they don't see you coming.
As to the first part, not a reason in the world that I could see. I can't find a single reason that you shouldn't in a principled way —there may be some practical considerations, such as do you know how (laughter from audience)
—you know, often these things are processes. It's not just an impulse. And certainly it's not just an event.
And the simple answer, although it probably should be more complicated, but I'm not being flip and giving the simple answer, is:
You carry the weapon. That's how they don't see it coming. You're the one...
They talk about "color blind or blind to your color." You said it yourself.
You don't send the Black Liberation Army into Wall Street to conduct an action.
You don't send the American Indian Movement into downtown Seattle to conduct an action.
Who do you send? You. Your beard shaved, your hair cut close, and wearing a banker's suit.
There's probably a whole lot more to it, you know that. But there's where you start. .."
more...
Audio link at:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001588.htm
Our message to Binny from Texas.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2017530/posts
That would be a very...Clintonian outcome, now wouldn't it?
Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.
"A very strong statement to the Islamic nation by the COWARDLY lion of Islam sheikh Osama bin Laden, ..."
Meanwhile, General Franco is still dead.
Amazon Book Review:
"Vastly Illuminating!" September 25, 2004
By Kat Bakhu
"I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.
It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.
Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.
This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air."
http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/089526076X
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"David Horowitz talked about his book Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11, published by Spence. In his book he criticizes members of the Democratic Party that, he says, are undermining the U.S.'s efforts in Iraq. This event was held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C."
Watch now on c-span video: Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=205154-1&highlight=
You know, I’ve started regarding Usama’s ‘very strong’ messages the way I do Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi/any Democrat in Congress—what’s the Texas saying they used to insult Bush with? All cattle, no hat?
I agree, he’s probably going to endorse Ubama as the new savior of America, if only the American people will see the ‘truth’ about the Obamamessiah! [snort]
The news release reminds me of “The Mouse That Roared”. These idiots are dead, except no one has told them yet (via a well-aimed American weapon).
Erm, why isn’t Bin Laden in prison or dead?
LOL
What makes you think he's not dead?
If he is dead, we sure don’t know about it. Everyone here based on the posts is under the assumption he is alive. If Bin Laden died, the Bush administration would parade the news around America (rightfully so).
I'm not so sure about that. I think there is value in keeping Bin Laden's death a secret. For one, it supresses the argument that the WOT is finished (he attacked us, he's dead, we're done). For another, he would be a martyr to the IslamoNazi cause (he's more valuable dead than alive - but only if they know it). My own personal belief is his corpse is buried beneath the rubble of some mountain blast near Tora Bora.
That should be “All hat, no cattle”.
If he is alive, nor do we know about it.
Everyone here based on the posts is under the assumption he is alive.
Everyone? Not me. I assume he's dead, and have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise in years.
If Bin Laden died, the Bush administration would parade the news around America (rightfully so).
You seem to be assuming the Bush Administration, unlike the rest of us, has some sort of magic device that you can put in someone's name and it lights up and rings bells if he is dead. Or something.
What if Osama bin Laden died of, oh I don't know, kidney failure in late 2004 in a secluded village in the Pakistan mountains, and then was quietly buried in an unmarked grave? How would the Bush administration (or anyone else outside that village, OBL's close circle of assistants, etc.) 'know' that he died, let alone be able to 'parade the news'?
This isn't rocket science; these are pretty obvious questions to ask of people insisting OBL still draws breath.
My own personal belief is his corpse is buried beneath the rubble of some mountain blast near Tora Bora.
What information do you have to support that belief?
I hope you are correct, that in fact Bin Laden is dead. I have often speculated whether he is still alive. I simply haven’t seen any evidence of his death. Furthermore, there are new video tapes released of him, which might suggest he is still alive ( I am aware these could be postmortem releases).
What I asked you was: what makes you think he is alive?
Furthermore, there are new video tapes released of him, which might suggest he is still alive ( I am aware these could be postmortem releases).
They might if the videotapes contained/referenced any recent events (which they don't) and were not heavily edited (which they are) and did not resemble (in clothing, setup) outtakes of footage known to have been shot years earlier (which they do).
Moreover, the fact that "Osama" releases fuzzy, incoherent, edited videotapes** occasionally, rather than often releasing indisputably, unequivocally recent and higher-quality recordings, itself provides circumstantial evidence that he no longer draws breath. A living Osama bin Laden would have every motive not only to repeatedly release and publicize his message as much as possible, but to take every possible step to prove to the world that he is still alive (because this would defiantly shove that fact in the face of the U.S.) All he'd have to do would be to hold up a recent newspaper, mention (not opaquely or using metaphor) a recent event, or some such. "Paper-tiger superpower still can't touch me". He has every motive in the world to do this, and so the fact that the videotapes we do get of him don't take this sort of step at all, itself is a decent argument that he's incapable of doing it. Because he is dead, and the videotapes are spliced together from archival footage, would be the most obvious explanation.
**I won't even mention the audiotapes, for which my only question is, why on earth people are so sure that's his voice.
Thanks. :-)
As a Texan, have to say I’d never heard the saying until the libs starting using it as an insult to the President. But it really does personify the democratically controlled Congress and Ubama and Usama!! :-)
No he’s staying at a Holiday Inn Select.........
This isn't rocket science; these are pretty obvious questions to ask of people insisting OBL still draws breath.
We've discussed some of this before - But, yes, there are ways that such news would leak or be "recovered"....and there are is also ways to conclude one is still alive....without knowing one's location.....
Best regards,
Absolutely inaccurate - For numerous reasons - Both strategically and selfishly -
And how many video's did Zarqawi put out of himself (showing himself) in Iraq while the leader of AQ there? - Answer = Zero. Yet, he was very much real, very much alive, and brutally effective.....until the day we put him in the ground.....(understand the only video of Zarqawi ever released showing himself....was done so only after the original tape was "recovered" in a SOF Op).
I do not think Bin Laden would be a martyr for the liberals. I don’t agree with most liberal policy, but I would hardly place them on the same side as Bin Laden, it is silliness and you know it. Such comparisons simply deteriorate the level of political discourse. Same thing goes for liberals who want to equate us with “insert totalitarian regime here”. If Bin Laden turned up dead, I think all of America would breath a big nonpartisan sigh of relief.
I respectfully disagree. How many times have the libbies stated “If only we could catch Osama Bin Laden, then the WOT would be over!”? There were many who claimed Saddam was not a bad guy because, gosh, women had more rights over there in Iraq, and he had nothing to do with terrorists, and/or Al-Quaeda, yada yada yada.
I honestly believe that IF Osama was every officially declared ‘caught’ or ‘dead’ by the Bush administration, the libbies would put up a huge stink about it—if caught, they would want him to stand trial in a civilian court because, you know, you just can’t trust those military courts/tribunals. And if he’s killed/found dead, they would blame Bush et al for not using diplomacy to get Osama to ‘reason’ with all the terrorists out there in the world to make nice with everyone else!!
It’s not silliness. It’s stupidity on the part of the liberal crowd, and it needs to be pointed out, the liberals would NOT be relieved. They’d find some new reason to blame America and Bush for the WOT.
He plans to issue a very strong "get well" address to Ted Kennedy, or as he's come to be known on FR: "He Who Shall Not Be Allowed To Have A Breaking News Health Thread."
I’m no so sure that would have been a good idea. Yep. I believe he’s dead, Jim. I think we got him at Tora Bora. Reporting this news would have made him a martyr. Who knows how many innocent people would have died to avenge that? Parading around would have been like gas on a fire to all who hate us. I think we got him. I think we’ve made a dent. After all not one terrorist act has taken place on our soil since that awful day. But I don’t think we will ever be told about Binnie.
Exactly. But I do remember a story where a woman was interviewed & she spoke of seeing a body wrapped in white & separated from the rest. I think we got him & I think we know it.
I don’t know how many times the liberals have stated “If only we could catch Osama Bin Laden, then the WOT would be over!” I have never heard it, and I frequent some pretty loony left websites. I have to disagree with you also about liberals liking Saddam, I don’t know where you get that. From my perspective neither republicans nor liberals liked Saddam, the difference was on policy. That being said, I happen to lean toward the right on issues of foreign policy, and think that many ideas from the left are utter nonsense.
Advance copy of Osama ‘bin Hidin’ Laden statement:
My fellow terrorists,
Moe Hamhead appeared to me in a dream last night and informed me Paradise is out of virgins. We’re such poor warriors we’re dropping like flies and no future martyrs will be eligible for virgins, but Paradise still has plenty of camels and sheep, so it will be much like the life you had on Earth. That is all, until I can find another safe cave to hide in.
I can understand what you are saying, however I think it would be good for American morale. I just haven't seen anything to indicate that Bin Laden is dead. Sadly, since hope is not prognostication Ill have to be satisfied not knowing.
Bin Laden is the name of a radical group. The original guy has Bin dead for quite a while, imo
If he is alive, he is in the worst prison possible......running, looking over his shoulder, never knowing who to trust.
Bin Laden is the poster child for Islamic Fundamentalists everywhere.....when they are confronted, they run like scared little schoolgirls.
We heard it here first. :)
There could be. Then again, there may not. It depends on the situation. I do recall that we've discussed this before, and I do recall you made some good points. However, even if you made a decent argument way back then for me to provisionally treat OBL as still alive - even if you had fully convinced me - I will point out that the continued passage of time with still no unequivocal proof that OBL lives does have to decrease my estimate of the likelihood that he's alive. At some point the clock is not on your side of the argument.
Which...are..?
I stand by what I said.
And how many video's did Zarqawi put out of himself (showing himself) in Iraq while the leader of AQ there? - Answer = Zero.
Zarqawi had not established 'releasing tapes' as his MO so the fact that he didn't is not noteworthy.
He needs to get with the progrm. All “strongly worded” letters must be delivered to the UN.
Reasonable minds can easily come to sound conclusions in both strategic as well as purely selfish terms why the releasing of tapes would not be prudent, necessary or effective.
Zarqawi had not established 'releasing tapes' as his MO so the fact that he didn't is not noteworthy.
Nor ever has UBL - The notion that UBL gave video messages to the media all the time (or even semi routinely) is false. Understand the first few tapes of UBL that were released to the public (after 9-11) were NOT released by AQ. They were "recovered" during OPs and released via the Pentagon.
When one either fully knows or as operated in the regions in which UBL has seek refuge....one clearly understands that time was on his side in the short run (and yes, in this particular region of the world....5-7 years would be considered the short-run).
Bottom line remains.....One of these days he will be "got". Same with Zawahiri. And the entire world will know within weeks (if not within 24 hours).
Best regards,
Another source.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i8r-zVNCTaFlIWcXpkF6M3BVZfZA
Begging for Jihad?
I suppose there are many things reasonable minds can do. I'm asking what reasons your reasonable mind has for doing so. My reasonable mind has come to the opposite conclusion, and I've given its reasons. Anyway.
The notion that UBL gave video messages to the media all the time (or even semi routinely) is false. Understand the first few tapes of UBL that were released to the public (after 9-11) were NOT released by AQ. They were "recovered" during OPs and released via the Pentagon.
Along these lines, it occurs to me that maybe he's been dead even longer than I thought.
one clearly understands that time was on his side in the short run (and yes, in this particular region of the world....5-7 years would be considered the short-run).
I was not talking about whether time is on our side or his side w/r to whether we capture him. I'm talking about whose side time is on w/r to the question "is he still alive?" To make this easy for you, suppose 92 years elapse and it is New Year's Eve, 2100, and the U.S. still has neither captured/killed OBL nor has there been any definitive news of his death/capture. At that point would the assumption that he is "still alive" make any sense? Of course not. Thus, time is not on the side of the "we must assume he's still alive" argument. Even if it's convincing now, it will not be convincing forever. Understand now?
Bottom line remains.....One of these days he will be "got".
Perhaps. Till then, I will continue to assume he's dead unless/until I see actual unequivocal evidence that he is not. (If I'm eventually 'proven wrong' by his capture/death, I can totally live with that. :-)
The brutal truth is that they chose to engage in Iraq and they got crushed. Now we're supposedly awaiting a scratchy, cobbled-together video to be smuggled down some goat trail to terrify the world. I do believe that's a collective yawn you're hearing.
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