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Why Six Powers Can't Stop Iran
New York Post ^ | May 12, 2008 | Amir Taheri

Posted on 05/12/2008 6:08:20 AM PDT by moderatewolverine

Would you take an offer if you knew that by refusing it you'd get a better one?

Tehran's answer to the latest "generous package" offered to end its uranium-enrichment program is an emphatic "No."

The offer comes from the Six Powers, the UN Security Council's five permanent members plus Germany; it was shaped in London in days of hard bargaining between the United States and the European Union on one side and Russia and China on the other.

Yet President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is already ignoring three Security Council resolutions and swallowing the bitter medicine of sanctions. And he has reason to believe that time is on his side.

He knows America will have a new president in nine months; the "mad Bush" will be gone. Sen. Barack Obama has said he'd invite Ahmadinejad for unconditional talks, ignoring UN resolutions that call on Tehran to stop uranium enrichment. So why pay now what one may not have to pay tomorrow?

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blueturban; iran; nuke; proliferation; un
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1 posted on 05/12/2008 6:08:20 AM PDT by moderatewolverine
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To: moderatewolverine

“Six Powers”

Powers? Pushovers, maybe.


2 posted on 05/12/2008 6:09:24 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: moderatewolverine

“No” requires more than merely articulating phonemes.


3 posted on 05/12/2008 6:14:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: moderatewolverine
Why Six Powers Can't Stop Iran

Won't, is more accurate. Answer: They're afraid of what the rest of the middle-east will do.

4 posted on 05/12/2008 6:17:32 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: moderatewolverine

What’s so surprising? We even say “No” to our kids today and then negotiate. People don’t want an answer....they are afraid of their own shadow.


5 posted on 05/12/2008 6:17:41 AM PDT by RC2
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To: moderatewolverine

We need a well planned airstrike to hit the nuke facilities and more importantly decapitate the mullahs/govt. Hit training camps also but leave all other infastructure in tact. With the govt. crippled but basic services in tact maybe some Iraninans will say enough is enough.


6 posted on 05/12/2008 6:18:04 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid!)
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“We need a well planned airstrike to hit the nuke facilities and more importantly decapitate the mullahs/govt.”

I’m certain the Mossad is well aware of Iran’s nuclear activities and are monitoring closely. As soon as the threat is established, Israel will take care of the problem.

Shortly afterwards, we’ll be embroiled in an all out war in the Middle East.


7 posted on 05/12/2008 6:21:39 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: moderatewolverine

Maybe we should be keeping Bush.


8 posted on 05/12/2008 6:29:04 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Slapshot68
Shortly afterwards, we’ll be embroiled in an all out war in the Middle East.

We're going to be embroiled in an all out war in the ME no matter what the time line. The intersection of Islam and oil leads to only one conclusion.

9 posted on 05/12/2008 6:34:12 AM PDT by semantic
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To: Slapshot68

ha ha - nice one.


10 posted on 05/12/2008 6:38:45 AM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: dalebert
Maybe we should be keeping Bush.

Let's really pi$$ off the Left *and* simultaneously protest the GOP candidacy of John McCain with the following bumper sticker:

Bush/Cheney '08.

11 posted on 05/12/2008 7:43:54 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: moderatewolverine
Iran's leaders have gotten away with conspiring with its proxies to murder Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Americans, Lebanese, Israelis, and others. Having gotten away with these things it's hard to see why they'd fear any of the so-called 6 powers. And even on this forum many people would be willing to turn the US government over to the most Liberal Senator in the US Senate because they don't have a true conservative. Under the circumstances, Iran's leaders have weighed the international community and found mush.
12 posted on 05/12/2008 8:12:41 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (If you liked Carter and you like Kennedy, you'll love Obama.)
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To: Slapshot68
Shortly afterwards, we’ll be embroiled in an all out war in the Middle East.

Fine with me. It will have to happen sooner or later and my feeling is the longer we wait the bloodier it will be.

13 posted on 05/12/2008 8:37:37 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: elhombrelibre
"And even on this forum many people would be willing to turn the US government over to the most Liberal Senator in the US Senate because they don't have a true conservative. Under the circumstances, Iran's leaders have weighed the international community and found mush."

Yeah, the old "principle" argument. It would make a great epitaph

14 posted on 05/12/2008 8:39:34 AM PDT by lexusppd
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I doubt half the states will get involved. I could see Saudi Arabia shutting off oil supplies, but they’ve seen our military in action many times, I doubt they and others are stupid enough to join a war against us.


15 posted on 05/12/2008 8:48:18 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid!)
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To: moderatewolverine
I do find it touching that anyone in the press, much less such a figure as Taheri, can manage to retain the fond illusion that this problem is amenable to negotiation. Touching in the way that you're touched when very young children believe in the Tooth Fairy.

The issue goes well beyond that of domestic politics in each of the participatory nations including Iran. It is precisely the sort of thing that collective security organizations such as the UN were built to address - ongoing national programs that are deemed to be a threat to regional security and not simply a matter between two contending nations. And we see a total paralysis of that system for the simple reason that, as Taheri points out, there is no consensus as to either the magnitude or the urgency of this particular problem.

That is the reason it devolves into the domestic politics of the participatory nations. The real paralysis is not within the electoral politics of the U.S., Great Britain, Russia, or Germany, or even within the electoral politics (such as they are) of Iran. Those are an excuse. The failure is within the overall international organization, and there is no cure within sight.

Time is on Iran's side, although it may take a little more time than even the mullahs are happy to contemplate. But that at least appears to be a matter that reaches beyond whether Ahmadinejad will be at the helm or not. The mullahs will have their bomb (and so, shortly, will Saudi Arabia and Turkey). It isn't so much that it is acceptable to Russia and China, it's simply that it's more trouble for them to help do something about it than it is to let it go. And as long as there is an element in this that serves to confound U.S. foreign policy that is likely to continue.

There are two possible jokers in the deck. One is active help by either Russia or China (North Korea has already dipped its fingers into the affair and possibly Pakistan as well) to accelerate the Iranian effort for unstated reasons that appeal to those respective foreign policies; or an increasing level of Iranian meddling in Lebanon that threatens to spill over into Israel such that a more immediate confrontation with Iran appears advantageous (or unavoidable) to the Israelis. The real danger point appears to be the latter at the moment - Hizbollah's antics are bloody and destabilizing enough as it is; those antics expanded under the protection of an Iranian nuclear umbrella may be too much for Israeli strategists to contemplate. They are, and will be, directly aimed at the overthrow of the Israeli state, war by proxy army that is the very thesis of the War On Terror.

Negotiation out of this impending crisis that depends on its current clear winner to back off is doomed. Should the situation in Lebanon turn for the worse from the Iranian perspective then things might change. At the moment that does not appear likely.

16 posted on 05/12/2008 9:23:14 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: lexusppd

Israel will take out Iran’s nuclear capabilities immediately if Obama wins the election. Get ready, folks.


17 posted on 05/12/2008 1:52:19 PM PDT by unkus
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To: moderatewolverine
So, at what point does Civilization draw the line, at what point does it sink in that the era of Chamberlain has run its course, has been over for some time, at what point does the "epiphany" reveal itself, at what point do we respond to the "Invasion of Poland" moment a moment History has time and again demonstrated will soon be foisted upon is, whether we are ready or not?

Unless We Take An Emphatic Stand, You're Looking At The Future
18 posted on 05/12/2008 1:59:05 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Islam:Truly the opium of the morons with apologies to Karl Marx)
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To: moderatewolverine

Sometimes WAR IS the answer.


19 posted on 05/12/2008 8:22:13 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: unkus
I hadn't thought of that. It makes good sense. To carry the thought a bit further, the attack would probably come before the election if it seemed as if Hussein was going to be elected. In this way Israel would still be able to secure our help as far as providing intel and possibly the jamming of Iranian radar.
20 posted on 05/13/2008 1:58:20 AM PDT by lexusppd
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