Not Much difference!! Don't they both wear the same magic drawers.
which is true to a degree. The FLDS are simply practicing an orthodoxy
Not only are many of the FLDS teachings in conflict with, and repugnant to, the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but, in fact, a person who believes in or practices the teachings of the fundamentalists would be excommunicated from the LDS Church.
lets be honest - the only reason it's repugnant is that the LDS doctrine / theology has changed to suit to social mores of the post modern period......
This is what various other Christian groups have to put up with all the time. Take a group like Westboro Baptist and some will choose to say it is reflective of how other Christians feel.
Unfortunately for LDS, FLDS' teachings and practices are almost identical to those practiced by the early LDs founders, Joe Smith and Brigham Young.
Bears repeating!
Incidentally, the Deseret News is owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (i.e. the LDS Church).
It’s easy to tell them apart. With one it’s Brigham Young. With the other it’s “bring ‘em young!”
This is not a flame question.
Can somebody please tell me who represents the teaching of Joseph Smith most closely - FLDS or LDS? Smith had, according to some accounts that I’ve read, 33 wives through both real and “spiritual” marriages.
If that’s true, aren’t the FLDS merely following their prophet and isn’t LDS the real breakaway sect?
About the Author? or is this another Joe Cannon?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Adrian_Cannon
Joseph Angus Cannon (commonly known as Joe Cannon) was Chairman of the Utah Republican Party from 2002 to 2006. Cannon was a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 1992 (defeated by current Senator Robert F. Bennett) and served as an assistant administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency from 1983 - 1985. He was named editor of the Deseret Morning News on December 8, 2006.
Cannon was born in 1949.[1] Cannon served a mission in Ireland, and also for a time served on the Isle of Man the ancestral homeland of the Cannons.[2] Cannon received a degree in political science, and, in 1977, a law degree, from Brigham Young University.
Cannon played a pivotal role in the purchase of Geneva Steel from U.S. Steel in 1987. Subsequent to that transaction, he became Chairman of Geneva Steel.
Other items to be found on the internet:
Joseph Cannon was a member of the Board of Trustees of the Salt Lake Olympic Organizing Committee. You remember the organizing committee. They were accused of bribing Olympic officials with cash and female escorts. But, most were cleared by fellow Utahns on the “Cannonized” Salt Lake Olympic Committee ethics panel. http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/11/olympics.01/?eref=yahoo
....was also embroiled in a controversy over his company, Geneva Steel’s, mysterious moving water shares. Cannon chose to not disclose the $85 million in water shares to the Federal Pension Guarantee Corp, who bailed out the Geneva Pension Fund (which was only 10% funded). Sometimes its nice to have a brother in Congress.
Mr. Cannon is a partner in the Law Firm, Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP. Prior to rejoining the firm, he was the Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of Geneva Steel from 1987 to 2001. He played the leading role in the purchase of Geneva Steel from USX Corporation and the re-opening of the plant in September of 1987. Mr. Cannon is a former member of the Board of Directors of the American and International Iron and Steel Institutes. He serves in the firm’s Environment, Land Use & Natural Resources practice and is also Co-Leader of its Public Policy & Political Law practice. He formerly served as Assistant Administrator for Air and Radiation, and Associate Administrator for Policy and Resource Management, at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Mr. Cannon has also served numerous organizations in the following capacities: member of the Board of Trustees of the American Enterprise Institute; member ofthe Administrative Conference of the United States; member of the Board of Trustees of the Salt Lake Olympic Organizing Committee; Chairman of the American Bar Association, Natural Resources Law Section, Air Quality Committee; Vice Chairman of the Committee of Interagency Radiation Research and Policy Coordination; United States Representative to the Environment Committee, Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development; and member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council and capital campaign committee. Mr. Cannon is an active member of the Republican Party, currently serves as Chairman of the Utah State Republican Party Finance Committee, and is a member of the Republican National Committee.
I wonder if he is a Freeper too. I can guarantee he has FRiends here.
It has always struck me as ironic that the LDS church claimed the FLDS is a false group claiming they are part of the LDS. It is identical to the complaints from Christian Churches that LDS is falsely claiming to be Christian.
How funny - yet “regular” mormons seem offended that so many evangelicals don’t consider them to be part of maintstream Christianity.
Yeah.
One has an "F" in front of it.
I’m not too worried about misconceptions and Mormons but I am very concerned that so many children can be stripped from their parents over one allegation of abuse. I know of children in horrible families who others trying to help spend years trying to remove them from abusive parents who not only are violent but also involved in the sell of illegal drugs. One child in particular finally was removed only after being institutionalized by his bad mother. Finally his father was able to get custody when they finally got the mother to go ballistic in court and drop her facade of “how her son was her life and how much she loved him”. All the beatings, the being burnt with cigarettes, the being left alone with a step dad who abused them. No one listened to the children or the concerned family members. The Mom even had free legal support and she sadly still has custody of two of the children.
That is what gets me. What level of abuse was different in the case of the FLDS? I don’t support their lifestyle, I don’t agree with their theology but there are far worse examples that no one gives a damn about. It seems that if anything the courts go out of their way to keep certain kids where the abuse is more than apparent in the hands of their abusive parents. That aside there seems to be real problems with the justification for taking those kids and now they are having a very difficult time finding the alleged abuse.
Sure there are 14-17 year old girls pregnant but I don’t see the federal government raiding housing projects taking hundreds of kids into custody. It just seems phony and it sets bad precedence. One unconfirmed phone call would not get this kind of attention if the group had been almost any other group.
LDS forsook polygamy for statehood; men of the LDS priesthood "spirit" marry one earthly wife but unlimited previously alive but now deceased women.
The FLDS appears more rational than the LDS, in an odd sort of way. While it is illegal to "spirit" marry a minor, at least the minor girl is alive. And while it is illegal to consummate such a "union"; there is no law preventing an LDS man from "spirit" marrying your dead grandma!
So, I suppose we should expect headlines next week stating that the LDS is suing the FLDS for identity theft?
“After a few minutes, it became clear that he thought I was somehow affiliated with the FLDS group. I felt like an anthropology specimen. The questions were friendly and good natured, but imbedded in them was the notion that there was really no difference between the LDS Church and the FLDS group, they were simply all Mormons to him.”
Well, when you put an orange, a tangerine, and a navel orange and their variations in a pile, confusion is obvious.
Here are some 100% facts that the LDS cannot deny:
1) FLDS polygamy comes straight from the words of Joseph Smith, enhanced by Brigham Young.
2) The FLDS can site an unbroken chain back to Smith and the early Mormon church that is as compelling as the LDS.
3) the FLDS uses the BOM and I believe the other main works. It isn’t like we are comparing Hinduism and Christianity.
The problem for the LDS is that they are indeed peas in a pod with the FLDS and while this FACT may cause them embarrassment, it cannot be wished away.
I like the comment about Mormons claiming to be Christians as an affront to Christianity. If the LDS doesn’t care for the FLDS claiming to be Mormon, maybe the LDS should stop trying to proclaim itself Christian. LDS was started by a child raping murderer who created a “religion” to entice people into giving him his way, nothing more. It wasn’t a religion, it was a cult.