"Anne Coulter was right."
Yes, she was.
Posted on 05/10/2008 7:07:11 PM PDT by Mount Athos
Two weeks after The Observer revealed the shocking story of Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, murdered because of her infatuation with a British solider in Basra, southern Iraq, her father is defiant. Sitting in the front garden of his well-kept home in the city's Al-Fursi district, he remains a free man, despite having stamped on, suffocated and then stabbed his student daughter to death.
Abdel-Qader, 46, a government employee, was initially arrested but released after two hours. Astonishingly, he said, police congratulated him on what he had done. 'They are men and know what honour is,' he said.
Rand, who was studying English at Basra University, was deemed to have brought shame on her family after becoming infatuated with a British soldier, 22, known only as Paul...
It was her first youthful infatuation and it would be her last. She died on 16 March after her father discovered she had been seen in public talking to Paul, considered to be the enemy, the invader and a Christian. Though her horrified mother, Leila Hussein, called Rand's two brothers, Hassan, 23, and Haydar, 21, to restrain Abdel-Qader as he choked her with his foot on her throat, they joined in. Her shrouded corpse was then tossed into a makeshift grave without ceremony as her uncles spat on it in disgust.
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The hubris of the idea that we can reform a muslim country.
You said it.
To call these people animals is an insult to all of God’s creatures.
It was her first youthful infatuation and it would be her last. She died on 16 March after her father discovered she had been seen in public talking to Paul, considered to be the enemy, the invader and a Christian. Though her horrified mother, Leila Hussein, called Rand’s two brothers, Hassan, 23, and Haydar, 21, to restrain Abdel-Qader as he choked her with his foot on her throat, they joined in. Her shrouded corpse was then tossed into a makeshift grave without ceremony as her uncles spat on it in disgust.
‘Death was the least she deserved,’ said Abdel-Qader. ‘I don’t regret it. I had the support of all my friends who are fathers, like me, and know what she did was unacceptable to any Muslim that honours his religion,’ he said.
Sitting on a chair by his front door and surrounded by the gerberas and white daisies he had planted in the family garden, Abel-Qader attempted to justify his actions.
‘I don’t have a daughter now, and I prefer to say that I never had one. That girl humiliated me in front of my family and friends. Speaking with a foreign solider, she lost what is the most precious thing for any woman. ‘People from western countries might be shocked, but our girls are not like their daughters that can sleep with any man they want and sometimes even get pregnant without marrying. Our girls should respect their religion, their family and their bodies.
‘I have only two boys from now on. That girl was a mistake in my life. I know God is blessing me for what I did,’ he said, his voice swelling with pride. ‘My sons are by my side, and they were men enough to help me finish the life of someone who just brought shame to ours.’
Abdel-Qader, a Shia, says he was released from the police station ‘because everyone knows that honour killings sometimes are impossible not to commit’. Chillingly, he said: ‘The officers were by my side during all the time I was there, congratulating me on what I had done.’ It’s a statement that, if true, provides an insight into how vast the gulf remains between cultures in Iraq and between the Basra police the British army that trains them.
Both the religion and the culture must be eradicated. If that means burning all the korans and raising and educating all the children ourselves in Western style schools and orphanages, so be it. Something quite similar was done in Japan at the end of WWII to break the traditional militaristic mindset of the country and it seems to have worked really well.
This is disgusting and heartbreaking. I am glad her mother has the courage to leave that demon who did this to her.
EVIL death-cult, EVIL people.
One can no more be infected with Islam and considered ‘good’, than a person can be riddled with cancer and considered ‘healthy’.
If only they would ALL kill each other-one big, death orgy.
The world would be 100% better without a single Muslim alive and I will never change my mind about that.
You know, falling for a British soldier and a Christian man at that was not a bad thing if her father thought about it. Her life would have been much better with a Western man than what she will find in Iraq.
Anne Coulter was right.
It would have been a good thing for the girl, and ultimately the entire family. The wellbeing of women, and particularly this poor girl, seems to be of the lowest priority.
The two cops referred to probably know about it and took a bribe.
“It would have been a good thing for the girl, and ultimately the entire family. The wellbeing of women, and particularly this poor girl, seems to be of the lowest priority.”
Just to clarify, it was a response to a comment that if the father thought about it, he would have realized she would have been much better off with the Brit.
He doesn’t deserve the term “Father”, he doesn’t even deserve to be called human. A Father who could kill his daughter is a monster.
The end of the article indicates the British soldier wasn’t interested in her. I hope the soldiers in Iraq understand the danger they place these women in when they interact with them.
Barbarians does them well.
Makes one long for the days of British colonialism, when they’d do a bit of “honor killing” themselves.
The only solution to “honor killings” is to make the punishment so “dishonorable” that it deters the crime.
The entire family should be held up for public scorn as being dishonorable and unclean. Public rituals like dipping each of their right hands in a pot full of pig fat will also help. Even the family name could be given a prefix or suffix to show that they are in shame, and all their official papers changed in that way as well.
Mosques should be encouraged to turn them away, and they might even be forced into moving to an undesirable part of town or living among non-Muslims.
losers... these men have sooooooo little to offer women that they create huge chips for their lame shoulders. Men this pathetic are funny - well, not in this case - because an innocent died - but usually funny.
Animals
Amen. This world is fast becoming a scary place. Where the heck did Obama come from as a presidential candidate?
I do not want someone with even a whiff of muslim upbringing in any office if this is how the extremes of their religion condone barbarism.
Primitive savages.
I’ve heard it said that honor killing aren’t practiced much among Iranians, who supposedly look down on it as tribal barbarism, though it’s present in the Kurdish community. The Iranians hang people who commit honor killings. Never thought I’d agree with them about something. I think that the father and the brothers should have pork fat poured down their throats, before being slowly hung.
Were the actual Barbarians that bad?
Hopefully the British soldiers have some little black ops planned to deal with these wonderful Muslim make role models.
Sounds like the perfect fate for the Iranian President himself.
My style of honor killing is to go after the father and brothers.
Very interesting quote by Barack Hussein Obama, cynwoody. I hadn't heard that one before...
But don’t our leaders tell us that “Islam is a religion of peace”?
This woman had no idea the impact her portrait had made. She couldn't believe that she was an international celebrity of sorts. Not like she could do anything about it. NG was glad they found her, discovered her name, yadda yadda, but I couldn't help thinking, "Gee, what a bum deal for this kid. Isn't Islam great?"
Burn it all. Over and done with, and start over. Round up the imams and the mullahs and the psychos and the woman-hating bullies, and do us all a favor and exile them all to an island where they can do all their hating without bothering the rest of us. Blockade the island, and shoot anyone trying to get off. Drop food daily for them, wrapped in pictures of women in bikinis. Or pictures of pigs. Airlift Mecca onto a large barge which will sail in random directions, so the bastards don't know where to aim their fewer-braincells-than-a-dog heads. And then, maybe, we can rebuild the middle east.
"Anne Coulter was right."
Yes, she was.
"I remember this National Geographic issue a buncha years back that had this striking girl on the cover."
I remember that too.
Coming to a city near you!
I’m Barack Osama and I approve this message.
Now I get why we could not risk allowing such animals to get WMDs.
No Muslim Nation can ever be allowed to get hold of WMDs.
Actually Pakistan already has nuclear weapons.
We should nuke and nerve gas the entire region starting at Mecca and working our way out. Leave it so no stone stands upon another.
In 40 or 50 years we can move in there, claim the resources for Western Civilization, and build some decent golf courses.
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The Clinton’s hatchet man, Blumenthal, has been looking under every conceivable rock hoping to find something. Without the full context of Obama’s point, I think had it been as awful as that statement indicates, we would have heard about it long before now.
I know God is blessing me for what I did,’ he said, his voice swelling with pride.
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Yes, this brutality is pleasing to his god, Satan.
“The hubris of the idea that we can reform a muslim country.”
We are trying to tech them to vote and their mentality is to kill their own children. A totally useless effort.
The Iranians hang people who commit honor killings. Never thought I’d agree with them about something.
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Caveat: I certainly would not call myself any sort of authority; this is strictly anecdotal.
I have known about 10 Persians, which is what the people are that we call Iranian. Now, true, they were here in the US, so they most probably do not represent a cross-section of the society, but all of them were pro-Western and, though nominally mohammedans, very secular in their outlook. I found them to be absolutely engaging, cosmopolitan, and intelligent.
To be honest,I have read very little about the country, but what I have learned has caused me to conclude the following:
Iran, under the Shah, was doing quite well, although, by all accounts, it was not very democratic. Then the fundamentalists overthrew the Shah, an event which Carter apparently approved of and did nothing to stop and which brought us the Iran Hostage Crisis.
It appears that many inhabitants of Iran, most of whom are young, are not backwards and ignorant like those in most Muslim countries. They are very Western in their ways and pro-West in their attitudes toward world affairs. They are held in check by the repressive muzzie leaders. Perhaps they will be able to bring about an overthrow of the fundamentalists.
I seem to recall that the National Geographic cover girl was from Afghanistan.
"I seem to recall that the National Geographic cover girl was from Afghanistan."
You are absolutely correct in your recollection.
We should not be spending billions and losing thousands of American LIVES for this.
Once we allowed them to write a constitution that stated NO LAW SHALL CONTRADICT ISLAM, from then on it was a wasted effort.... and a win win for Iran.
Except we’re trying to convert them to American Idol and Vanity Fair.
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