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To: Aussie Dasher

We all hear how "close" the Democratic Primaries are and how much Obama is so dominant in the hearts and minds of the average everyday Democratic voter.

Well if we looked at the Obama v. Clinton match-up in terms of the electoral college - we'd see a very different outlook.

Presidential elections are won or lost based on Electoral College votes, not based on "delegates", "superdelegates", party caucuses or total popular vote.

States that hold Primary Elections allow the VOTERS to choose their candidate, as opposed to states that hold caucuses in which voters don't go to the polls but rather Party-insiders do the voting.

And so to get a clearer picture of the Democratic outlook - I looked through the lens of Primary Election results only and then counted those results in terms of Electoral Votes for each of those states to see whether Obama or Clinton would have an easier time gaining the 270 necessary Electoral Votes to become President.

And so by tallying up the States won in the Primary Elections (where voters decide the result, not party-insiders) by Obama and Clinton based on their Electoral College votes - here are the results:

STATE - Electoral Votes (Primary Election Winner)
Alabama - 9 (Obama )
Connecticut - 7 (Obama )
Delaware - 3 (Obama )
District Of Columbia - 3 (Obama )
Georgia - 15 (Obama )
Illinois - 21 (Obama )
Louisiana - 9 (Obama )
Maryland - 10 (Obama )
Mississippi - 6 (Obama )
Missouri - 11 (Obama )
North Carolina - 15 (Obama )
South Carolina - 8 (Obama )
Utah - 5 (Obama )
Vermont - 3 (Obama )
Virginia - 13 (Obama )
Wisconsin - 10 (Obama )
148 Primary Electoral Votes For Obama.

Arizona - 10 (Clinton )
Arkansas - 6 (Clinton )
California - 55 (Clinton )
Florida - 27 (Clinton )
Indiana - 11 (Clinton )
Massachusetts - 12 (Clinton )
Michigan - 17 (Clinton )
New Hampshire - 4 (Clinton )
New Jersey - 15 (Clinton )
New Mexico - 5 (Clinton )
New York - 31 (Clinton )
Ohio - 20 (Clinton )
Oklahoma - 7 (Clinton )
Pennsylvania - 21 (Clinton )
Rhode Island - 4 (Clinton )
Tennessee - 11 (Clinton )
Texas - 34 (Clinton )
290 Primary Electoral votes For Clinton.

Woah! Looks like Clinton has a HUGE lead when it comes to where it counts state-by-state - 1) Actual voters and 2) Electoral Count.

Oh - well - what about the Caucus states. Shirley all the states won by Obama would make a big difference wouldn't it?

Okay - let's add in the Caucus states and add up those Electoral College Votes too. However - an odd thing happened in Texas, they had a Primary AND a Caucus - and the results were split between Obama and Clinton, Clinton won the Primary and Obama won the Caucus. So to be fair, I'll give EACH of them the full amount of Texas Electoral Votes:

STATE - Electoral Votes (Caucus Election Winner)
Alaska - 3 (Obama )
Colorado - 9 (Obama )
Hawaii - 4 (Obama )
Idaho - 4 (Obama )
Iowa - 7 (Obama )
Kansas - 6 (Obama )
Maine - 4 (Obama )
Minnesota - 10 (Obama )
Nebraska - 5 (Obama )
North Dakota - 3 (Obama )
Texas - 34 (Obama )
Washington - 11 (Obama )
Wyoming - 3 (Obama )
103 Caucus Electoral Votes For Obama.

Nevada - 5 (Clinton)
5 Caucus Electoral Votes For Clinton.

And so what's the grand total - in terms of Electoral Votes for each?

Clinton: 295 Total Electoral Votes
Obama: 251 Total Electoral Votes

* remember, Texas is counted in for each candidate because they each won there.

Personally - I actually happen to think the State Primary Election results are FAR more telling than the party-insider polls done for State Caucus elections.

ETA: And if you look just at "swing" states who had Primary Elections, those states that are going to be the main battlegrounds and ususally determine the outcome of the elections:

Ohio - 20 (Clinton )
Pennsylvania - 21 (Clinton )
Florida - 27 (Clinton )
New Hampshire - 4 (Clinton )
Wisconsin - 10 (Obama )


Bottomline: Don't quit Hill! You can still win this!! LOL!



6 posted on 05/08/2008 5:25:48 PM PDT by The_Macallan
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To: The_Macallan
Clinton: 295 Total Electoral Votes
Obama: 251 Total Electoral Votes

Winning the majority of the democrats in a state has nothing to do with winning the majority of the popular votes. Flawed logic.

9 posted on 05/08/2008 5:34:41 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: The_Macallan
Bottomline: Don't quit Hill! You can still win this!! LOL!

That is a STUPID analysis.

You can't count by 'electoral college' votes. That is not how the Democrats primaries are setup. They are actually voting along CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT LINES and not along STATE lines. By the way - Caucuses are NOT just for party insiders - they are for any voter that cares to show up. SO THAT POINT IS ALSO ABSURD. At the Democrat primaries in Texas, they had known Republicans in with the Democrats. The only qualification to get in was a desire to vote and to be willing to spend the time to do so.

THE ELECTORAL ANALYSIS IS ALSO ABSURD. If there was a state with exactly 3 democrats in it and 10,000,000 million Republicans in it. Lets say Hillary gets 2 votes and Obama gets 1 vote. When the general election comes along, the vote will be 10,000,000 to either 3, 2 or 1 !!! So just because somebody 'wins' a state, it doesn't mean that they are going to win that state in the general election and gain those electoral college votes. Just because somebody lost a state in the primaries, does not mean that they will lose that state in the general election.

PLEASE TAKE THAT 'CLINTON SPEAK' SOMEWHERE ELSE.

32 posted on 05/08/2008 7:15:50 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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