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EDITORIAL: Ominous signs in Vallejo
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 5/8/8 | Editor

Posted on 05/08/2008 8:51:35 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: SmithL

Geez it is simple...

Tell the unions that they need to cut their pay so they can have money to spend on reducing greenhouse gases to save the endangered spotted owl

The liberals’ heads will explode trying to figure out which side to be on


21 posted on 05/08/2008 9:23:31 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: whitedog57
Listening to the GREENS was horrifying.

That sounds like listening to Don Imus' wife lecturing others on how to 'conserve the world' while Imus was sitting in his running limo watching the election returns Tuesday night (he thought it was funny). They are hypocrites.

22 posted on 05/08/2008 9:28:21 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: SmithL

I cannot speak for California. But I can tell you in the Bible Belt, you see a lot of local governments increasing spending into a declining population, an aging population, and a less affluent population. And that is not a prescription for anything but a train wreck.


23 posted on 05/08/2008 9:29:35 AM PDT by Biblebelter (If the big blue states got to choose the Republican nominee, I say let them elect him in the fall)
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To: SmithL

“...Going forward, the people of Vallejo are going to have to learn new expectations for their city services

In time, Vallejo’s plight may be contagious.....”


24 posted on 05/08/2008 9:30:12 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: SmithL

Thanks. I seem to remember some of it now.


25 posted on 05/08/2008 9:30:59 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Husker8877
Oh, Harvard MBA types are well up the list when it comes to blowing great chunks of capital into thin air with amazing speed, but they by no means head the list.

Hunter (no Harvard man, he) @ Amaranth blew 6 billion+ in less than 60 days' time. Societe Generale (very few if any Harvard men there, I can guarantee you) blew at least 10 billion in 90 days' time. Nick Leeson blew a few billion in his stint as a rogue trader at Baring's -- the time frame is hard to determine, but it was way under a year, and likely enough under six months, and he was never anywhere near HBS. The Bank of Montreal (which favours McGill grads, not HBS) blew at least 800 million in under a month speccing natgas.

So, while certainly giving HBS grads their due in terms of mismanagement, poor trading, and using dubious mathematical models, one cannot really award them the top...or would that be bottom?...spot.

26 posted on 05/08/2008 9:32:11 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: SmithL

I hope Fairfield (9 miles north of Vallejo) is paying attention. This is what awaits it if Travis AFB should ever close. Vallejo has also failed to curb gang violence and get a handle on crime, and FF is creeping in the same direction.


27 posted on 05/08/2008 9:49:28 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: lexusppd

There are so many firemen, policemen, teachers making $100K with matching pensions for life, they are always complaining for more. In reality, and historically, these should be lower-paying positions. $100K for a fireman is quite insane, if you think about it.


28 posted on 05/08/2008 9:55:36 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: ArmstedFragg

In the City where I am employed, the PD and FF unions have what is called “interest arbitration” which is the tool they use to drag out negotiations for years before finally getting everything anyway (All other unions get a take it or leave it contract offer). It always comes down to the same ruling that management acted in bad faith...

With OT & incentive pay (fitness, education, bi-lingual, etc) our officers make more than all department heads and a couple make more than the City Manager. They all have an etitlement attitude because they are “out there putting their life on the line”... Couple this with a Chief that does not know how to control his department budget and they put the City $1.5 million in the hole last year...

OBTW both of those unions contracts are up this year even though the FF haven’t settled the original contract offer 3 years ago...


29 posted on 05/08/2008 10:00:31 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: SmithL

It’s Bush’s fault... and Global Warming...


30 posted on 05/08/2008 10:25:53 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: shotgun

Vallejo had salaries set at a percentage above average salaries in the area, but the area was defined to include cities such as Palo Alto. They’d also ceded to the fire department the right to determine what appropriate staffing was. When the financial problems became severe, the city shut down two fire stations. The firefighters dragged them into arbitration (maybe similar to the ‘interest arbitration’ you mentioned) and the city was forced to re-open those stations, blowing a million and a half dollar hole in the city budget.

The thing that struck me about the meeting Tuesday, was the exhibition of the same sense of entitlement you mentioned. It was reinforced by sitting through a meeting down here in the south end of the state last night that had a fire staffing issue on the agenda, and also had the same attitude on display.

Fortunately, our local elected officials haven’t been dumb enough to let the public safety unions control the budget, but I’m not sure it isn’t just a matter of time.


31 posted on 05/08/2008 10:26:42 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: ArmstedFragg

Even after the budget problems and over runs in the PD, Council directed staff to see if the unions would forego their 3% COLA to help the budget problems. Basically PD & Fire said HELL NO!!! The union rep for the FD stood before council and whined how if he had to give up his COLA that it would cost him “X” number of dollars in retirement...This guy is all of 30 years old and he had the balls to stand up there and whine about his retirement pay!!! I nearly came out of my chair...

Although my PW works staff was willing to give up the COLA (they figured having a job at their current rate was better than not having a job at all) after hearing the PD & FD they had no choice but to go stand up and take their 3% COLA because they figured they better get all they could before PD and Fire emptied the till...

BTW I lived in Vallejo 67-68 when I was was a little chilren...


32 posted on 05/08/2008 10:53:40 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: mallardx
Of course it is and it will come to an end in good time. It will only take the nerve of the politicians(I know, I know) to stand up and tell the Unions that this is what we can pay you and if it isn't enough then go elsewhere and we will hire replacements. As soon as the unions realize the alternative and the Town is facing bankruptcy, they will go along.
33 posted on 05/08/2008 11:17:24 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: SmithL

For years, Vallejo benefited from Mare Island Naval Shipyard, which was located there (separated by a strait of the Napa River). I was stationed there for five months back in the late 1980s. The base was decommissioned in 1996. The loss of revenue has probably contributed to Vallejo’s downslide, I’d think.


34 posted on 05/08/2008 11:21:22 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: lexusppd
Most of the troubles we have today can be traced back to career politicians with little talent for anything besides getting reelected.
35 posted on 05/08/2008 11:36:34 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: SmithL
EDITORIAL: Ominous signs in Vallejo

Nothing ominous there.
Criminal incompetence.

Read my tagline.

36 posted on 05/08/2008 12:37:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: EggsAckley
I guess I don’t know enough about this story to understand the above line.

The state stopped paying for local necessities, so obviously the state is "robbing" local government.

37 posted on 05/08/2008 12:39:38 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: cake_crumb

The fire chief makes $400,000 a YEAR!!!
what a bunch of Union Thieves!!!!


38 posted on 05/08/2008 2:21:46 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Husker8877

As I’ve said before, if you hire a Harvard MBA because you want the title he/she tacks on to his/her name, better be prepared to tack on many, many zeroes to the LOSSES you will no doubt experience.

I wonder how many Harvard MBAs are behind bankrupt Corps.
I’d like to see a List!!!


39 posted on 05/08/2008 2:24:56 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: SAJ

Got me there!

Bet the geniuses at those overseas financial institutions used Harvard business school models in their corporate planning though!


40 posted on 05/08/2008 4:29:00 PM PDT by Husker8877
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