Posted on 05/06/2008 1:11:25 AM PDT by Yosemitest
There is the fatal flaw in your analysis. If that were allowed to happen the political consequences for the Pres. and his/her party would be devastating. Hillary obviously is not unaware of that or she wouldn't have risked angering her far left base by saying she would obliterate Iran if needs be. Even if Obama is that politically naive he wouldn't be working in a vacuum. There would be plenty of Dems making him aware that losing access to ME oil would be the end of their party and his Presidency. It wouldn't be allowed to happen no matter who is in the WH.
That said; I think McCain will win and could win without a single conservative vote. He will certainly have to do it without mine. That is an irrevocable decision I made about him several years ago your prescient predictions aside.
Dubya is unreflective (which is helpful when dealing with socialist termites who are trying to use concepts to screw you) and dyslexic, the latter congenitally and the former from habits of mind formed long ago, part of which I think is the inclination of an aviator.
Airdales have to be attentive, reactive, quick-thinking, and very literal-minded. These are not qualities one associates with people-management and political leadership.
Airdales use all their "vision thing" on their instrument panels and horizons and staying out of trouble -- they have zero time (it's too dangerous, actually) for conceptualizing and building mental castles in the air. Which hurts them later on if they become President of the United States, like Poppy and Dubya Bush, whom McCain wants to succeed.
Poppy was the first President who knew how to fly, and had flown, aircraft -- moreover, he flew them in combat, as did McCain, another parallel, and both were Naval Aviation airdales -- ship riders whose job was tearing up a target.
It isn't too much of a stretch to say that McCain's management style, if not his communication style (which for both Bushes was governed by their dyslexia and high emotional factors in speaking), would resemble Poppy Bush's. And I think he'd fill his cabinet with Bush 41 holdovers and proteges. You might well see James Baker III back in government, and Brent Scowcroft, and Colin Powell.
Call it the Bush III Administration, if he is elected.
And I think people sense that, and that will be a weight around his neck -- and another reason the Treacherous MSM (c) has been promoting him over other GOP hopefuls, with the same kind of treatment they gave Barack Obama.
As a final drive-by comment, I think the aviation culture marks people who have high flying hours deeply enough, that if you pulled Amelia Earhart out of a magical hat and plunked her down in the Oval Office, people would remark how much, allowing for gender and generation, she resembles George H. W. "Poppy" Bush in her personal style.
Why the heck do you suppose she jumped out and said something like that? I sort of ignored her comment at first -- like I ignore everything the Beast says.
Catering for conservative crossover voters in Indiana and North Carolina?
We'll find out tonight, I guess!
Oh, is McCain a big Law of the Sea Treaty fan, too?
I didn't know that.
Well, then I guess the internationalist America-wreckers will have us all on the run in a McCain administration ("as if!" -- see my last), and he'll step right up for NAFTA, CAFTA, and Screw-Us-Up-the-AFTA.
Foreign-owned "NAFTA corridor" superhighways, anyone?
Oh. Your analysis is well thought out. I was looking at McCain's character instead of his background experiences as you did. So he's a mix of Clinton character and Bush vision.
Wonderful! /s
I'm sure it was a move to center to go for whatever center and independent votes she can get there. Obama has the black vote and she probably rightly figures that she and Obama have already divvied up whatever far left votes there are. In the long run she has to do it for the general election.
She is going to wrastle McCain for the mushy middle and her strategy will be pretty good. She will make it sound like she can use force if necessary by talking tough and rely on the perception of her as an anti-war Dem to draw the distinction between her and the war mongering Republican.
McCain has to do the opposite to get the middle. Treat his toughness as a given and work to build his image as measured, reasonable and smart.
It's classic election posturing but it's all academic for Hillary. Even if she wins the nomination the Dem party will be a shambles after they turn the DNC convention into a national reprise of the Wellstone funeral cum Chicago '68.
You didn’t adress my “doom” post. Please do.
I reject your apologetics regarding "other subjects" earning this kind of vitriol aimed at other freepers. The insults, from "your" side, are FAR too many, and you damn well know it.
You don't like Mccain, fine, I get it. But, are you willing to take 8 years of Obama to prove your damned point? With a DEMOCRAT CONGRESS?
So much for debate. Whenever a lefty throws in a line like that you know there's no use responding. I don't see why it would be different with you.
FWIW I did read your post and I did refute it. You disagree. So we disagree. I don't need to insult you to try and grasp a "victory" out of a disagreement. I don't need to put words in your mouth or assign motives to your thoughts to "look better" than you.
You ran out of anything of merit to respond with, and that's fine, but all it comes down to is that we disagree. I am not convinced that McCain will prosecute the WoT with determination and vigor. I already put up substantive, objective reasons, from his record, as to why.
I did not see your refutation of the post, other than calling it nonsense. Was that it? I didn’t see your substantive reasons for him not fighting the WOT either. Did I miss a post?
My unwillingness to vote for McCain has absolutely nothing to do with making a point. None.
I didn’t see your substantive reasons for him not fighting the WOT either. Did I miss a post?
The same reasons given in #53 support that opinion. There was also quite a bit in #55 if you take the time to read a few of the articles at the link.
I am guessing that his perserverance in that political sh1t-storm, when everyone was screaming to get out of Iraq, mean little to you. Am I correct? Either way, I can tell you, it means quite a bit to me. It also proves to me, beyond all doubt, that his commitment to our troops and the overall WOT is unquestionable.
No, I also mentioned his ridiculous opposition to water boarding. It is indicative of his thinking and it isn't good.
I am guessing that his perserverance in that political sh1t-storm, when everyone was screaming to get out of Iraq, mean little to you. Am I correct?
No, you're not but it isn't surprising that you're still trying characterize my thoughts for me to achieve your own ends.
It also proves to me, beyond all doubt, that his commitment to our troops and the overall WOT is unquestionable.
And there you have it. We disagree. The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides That article really brings out how little McCain understands what war is about and how little he cares about the troops. Does that contradict his own military service and the fact that his son serves? It sure does but there it is. It is his political record. Maybe he's just an idiot.
You and your ... Staying at home is unacceptable!!!
It's not enough to simply allow McCain to win. He must be defeated!!!
We must either choose another candidate,
When I say "I guess" and then ASK you if my guess is correct, I am hardly characterizing your position. We will have to disagree on the rest of the issue. See you in November.
Were it not for the WOT I might even agree with you here but then we have the question of the USSC and the possible nomination of 3 Justices. And please don't bother to rail about his vote to confirm Ginsberg. He also voted for Scalia, Alito and Roberts.
If you have a suggestion for another candidate AND a away to get him nominated I'd be fascinated to hear from you.
In any case there is no reason to take the chance. With McCain there is no chance we pull out early. There are also a few other things to consider such as the possible three USSC vacancies that may need to be filled.
As poor a Conservative as you believe him to be, McCain is light years better then the alternative and in this time he is the best electable choice we have.
It's fine to put YOUR life on the line for a belief but it is NOT fine to put everyone else's on the line at the same time.
I hope we're both around long after that. Our differences will seem rather minor a year from now.
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