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To: nathanbedford
"Many sane dairy farmers, being sane, find they can make more money by selling their feedstocks for biofuels if they reduce the size of their dairy herds, so they do so thus further driving up the price of milk-and beef"

And that is just pure poppy-cock.

feed corn doesn't fetch #1 grade prices, It's much much less than corn used for human food, which seems to be what liars in the media always quote.

Must be some real stupid dairy farmers in your area. In my area, dairy farmers don't sell off their excess feed until they have their silo's full for the winter.

They know that milk contract is worth far money money than some feed corn, which because feed crops aren't grown as 'clean" as possible to cut costs, they would pay high dockage as well. (dockage is when the elevator deducts grade points for contaminants, weeds other crop seeds, diseases, etc.)

Nice try though.

22 posted on 05/02/2008 9:53:12 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
We can both agree that farmers are not stupid, in fact, generations of them have been smart enough to figure out that they can make more money farming the "gubmint" then they can farming the land. Biofuels subsidies are a classic case of farming the government. The distortions and our agricultural system by the government have been a classic case of government meddling.

No one on this board would agree that we have suspended the laws of supply and demand. If the government increases demand by increasing subsidies to divert feedstocks for fuel, either the price of those feedstocks must rise or supply must increase. You have now suggested that the supply has increased. I am sure that it has for that is fully in keeping with the law of supply and demand. The problem is that the government' s subsidy arrangement is nearly infinite in its appetite. As I understand it Senator Hutchinson's bill was designed not to eliminate biofuels subsidies but to cap the amount of diversion away to biofuels. The projected diversion is breathtaking in its scope unless capped.

Our clever farmers must decide whether their feedstocks will generate more money by feeding it to their cattle or cows or by feeding it to the government. For example, if the government with its subsidies drives up the price of feedstocks, and the increase in supply is not nearly enough to offset the increase in demand created by the government, a farmer, seeing the price going up, is likely to decide that his feedstocks will go to biofuels unless the price of beef and milk rises high enough to warrant feeding it to animals. As long as the government keeps raising the bar, supply cannot catch up so the price must adjust. This is exactly what is happening.


34 posted on 05/02/2008 11:54:08 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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