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Soldier Sues Army, Saying His Atheism Led to Threats
The NY Times ^ | April 26, 2008 | NEELA BANERJEE

Posted on 04/27/2008 4:10:46 PM PDT by forkinsocket

FORT RILEY, Kan. — When Specialist Jeremy Hall held a meeting last July for atheists and freethinkers at Camp Speicher in Iraq, he was excited, he said, to see an officer attending.

But minutes into the talk, the officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, began to berate Specialist Hall and another soldier about atheism, Specialist Hall wrote in a sworn statement. “People like you are not holding up the Constitution and are going against what the founding fathers, who were Christians, wanted for America!” Major Welborn said, according to the statement.

Major Welborn told the soldiers he might bar them from re-enlistment and bring charges against them, according to the statement.

Last month, Specialist Hall and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group, filed suit in federal court in Kansas, alleging that Specialist Hall’s right to be free from state endorsement of religion under the First Amendment had been violated and that he had faced retaliation for his views. In November, he was sent home early from Iraq because of threats from fellow soldiers.

Eileen Lainez, a spokeswoman for the Defense Department, declined to comment on the case, saying, “The department does not discuss pending litigation.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; atheism; atheists; campspeicher; iraq; lawsuit; welborn
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1 posted on 04/27/2008 4:10:46 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

If everything in the article is true, and it’s a big if, then not should Specialist Hall clean up in court, but it looks like there is a major house cleaning needed in the military. Now, I suspect there is another side to this story, and I’d really like to hear it.


2 posted on 04/27/2008 4:15:47 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: forkinsocket

Funny how they not only expect to be able to say anything they want but expect to be honored for their ideas.

America is a Christian nation, get used to it.


3 posted on 04/27/2008 4:16:03 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: forkinsocket
I'm raising the BS flag. Not just because it's the New York Times...

There are practicing Wiccans and Muslims in the Army. Yet this Major is going to risk his career to harass Atheists.

Right...

4 posted on 04/27/2008 4:18:57 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Melas

It’ll all come out in court.


5 posted on 04/27/2008 4:21:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: forkinsocket
This is a repeat but still gets the BS meter:-)

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6 posted on 04/27/2008 4:21:57 PM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: forkinsocket
Last month, Specialist Hall and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group, filed suit in federal court in Kansas, alleging that Specialist Hall’s right to be free from state endorsement of religion under the First Amendment had been violated and that he had faced retaliation for his views. In November, he was sent home early from Iraq because of threats from fellow soldiers.

He was sent home early from a tour in Iraq and they are suing.

LOL!

7 posted on 04/27/2008 4:22:26 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: Grizzled Bear
And practicing Hare Krishnas!!!
8 posted on 04/27/2008 4:27:24 PM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: Grizzled Bear

***I’m raising the BS flag. Not just because it’s the New York Times...
There are practicing Wiccans and Muslims in the Army. Yet this Major is going to risk his career to harass Atheists.***

I will agree with you on this. BS! I knew several self-proclaimed atheists in the military back in the 1960’s and they were not harrassed for it. They did seem to have bad attitudes though.


9 posted on 04/27/2008 4:27:50 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Melas

I’ve seen far too many zealot missionaries as officers in the military for my tastes. My last unit commander was just that type.

Nice guy outside of that, but once the ‘Praise Jesus’ button was pressed... it was time to run for the hills.

So this really isn’t all hard to believe.


10 posted on 04/27/2008 4:29:09 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: geo40xyz
This is a repeat but still gets the BS meter:-)

I don't believe this guy is up to what your measuring.

Do you have a "domestic fowl fecal matter detector"?

11 posted on 04/27/2008 4:33:36 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: forkinsocket

No need to sue the army, just tell them to go to hell!:)


12 posted on 04/27/2008 4:35:24 PM PDT by upsdriver (My kingdom for an acceptable presidential candidate!!)
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To: forkinsocket

Sad, but when I saw “NYT”, my belief-O-meter just wouldn’t register. We’ll see what happens.


13 posted on 04/27/2008 4:49:25 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rocksblues
In November, he was sent home early from Iraq because of threats from fellow soldiers.

He was sent home early from a tour in Iraq and they are suing.

Perhaps he was threatened by his fellow soldiers because he was a pain in the rump or even dangerously incompetent.

14 posted on 04/27/2008 4:54:45 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Da Coyote
Sad, but when I saw “NYT”, my belief-O-meter just wouldn’t register. We’ll see what happens.

Me too. However my "Baloney-Meter" was off the charts!

15 posted on 04/27/2008 4:55:39 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: forkinsocket

...well, the thing is the foxhole atheist is an “endangered specie.”


16 posted on 04/27/2008 4:59:13 PM PDT by xc1427 (It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees...Midnight Oil (Power and the Passion))
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To: driftdiver

No, America is a nation that is predominantly Christian, not a Christian nation


17 posted on 04/27/2008 5:22:17 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: gogogodzilla
So this really isn’t all hard to believe.

Really? So who got sent home from your unit?

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I'm telling you he got all Jesus on me! Send me home!!!


18 posted on 04/27/2008 5:23:31 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrats - Stupid is as stupid do)
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To: Grizzled Bear
There are practicing Wiccans and Muslims in the Army.

A lot of people around here don't think there should be either.

19 posted on 04/27/2008 5:24:41 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: driftdiver

Whether or not we’re a Christian nation or not, has nothing to do with it. If this soldier’s story is true, which I doubt, then heads should roll.

What I personally suspect, and I’ll freely admit that it’s without proof is that this guy was not just an atheist but a confrontational anti-religionist. The two are not the same, not at all.


20 posted on 04/27/2008 5:25:54 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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