Posted on 04/21/2008 12:34:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:
• The Church reiterated on 6 April that it has no affiliation whatever with the Texas-based sect that has been subject to investigation by state law enforcement officers and child protective services in recent days, and whose leader, Warren Jeffs, was jailed in 2006.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints discontinued polygamy officially in 1890. Some people left the Church to continue the practice of polygamy, or were excommunicated because they refused to give up the practice. Some of their descendants are found in polygamous communities today in various parts of the United States and Canada, but especially in the West. They are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
• [The late] Church President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church’s October 1998 general conference: “I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members … If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
• Some news reports, especially those outside the U.S., still fail to draw clear distinctions between Mormons and polygamous sects whenever stories arise about polygamy in the Intermountain West.
• The term “Mormon” is correctly used to apply ONLY to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “Mormon” should never be used to describe polygamous sects.
• Latter-day Saints are offended when elementary mistakes are made in the news media or when printed or posted photographs fail to make the distinction between the Church and polygamous groups.
• Elder [M. Russell] Ballard [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] stated: “You would think that after over 100 years, media organizations would understand the difference. You can’t blame the public for being confused when some of those reporting on these stories keep getting them wrong.”
• There could not be two groups of people more different. Mormons do not look like members of the polygamous group in Texas — they do not dress like them, worship like them, or believe the same things.
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a global faith with 13 million members worldwide. We teach the gospel in 90 languages. There are members of our faith in every country. We are the 4th largest denomination in the U.S. We have donated over $1 billion in humanitarian aid worldwide. We operate Brigham Young University. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could not be more different than these small, secretive, polygamous societies.
Seemed to indicate the recording of the calls to the shelter. The shelter does not record these calls. However, in rereading your post, you may have been referring to the LOGS of the calls rather than recordings. In which case, I apologise.
It may be that these phone calls were just what pushed the investigation into action.
It also seems likely that members of the church aren't going to able to say they didn't know what others were doing, and that a lot of the adults in these communities are going to be going to jail.
“it’s far more likely it’s some idiot making a spoof post under her name.”
Idiot? Idiot?
It’s brilliant!
Do a search for “statutory rape arrested” and you will get hundreds of thousands of hits.
It's all about the men and their teenage victims. Some of the girls were *plucked* from their real parents by Jeffs to move to the Texas ranch in 2002. I suspect just another way to cover their tracks.
Only Jeffs and other sect member who were arrested would have DNA records. There are no marriage records.
I hope the women turn state's evidence and leave the sect to get their children back. This would be the best for everyone involved.
Do you have the link? Thanks again!
Yes. I was referring to phone company records of who or where the calls came from. I've heard that the shelter workers wrote down some form of written transcripts of the calls, but did not record the calls themselves. Depending on how many calls they got and how accurate of a time they have for when the calls were placed, they might have some difficulty being able to say for sure which call in the phone company records was from "Sarah".
However, since there were multiple calls, it would be a bit easier, and if they want to know specifically if the calls were made from Swinton's phone that she used to call Jessop, it gets pretty easy.
However, I'm pretty sure a judge isn't going to just have the phone company turn over the phone company records for the shelter and let them dig through them on their own.
The Bottom Line
Several households,
a male living with several gals who he calls his wives and each having children who are passed off under the age of
16 to another male to keep this perverse circle going.
They are under strict rules with no freedom.
They are also collecting welfare.
So far they have found that at least 20 minors have had kids or are pregnant.
The information in that post came from several recent news articles, and I don’t have time to track down what came from where. Try searching Google News for relevant terms.
“Could be a hoax, but I’m going to wait and see how many 12-16 year old pregnant girls and mothers they find......”
And of course, we’ll all be waiting anxiously for the authorities’ next investigation, which will be into the 12-16 year old Mexican girls who are pregnant within our borders, the fathers, and the purpose of that ‘cult’.
The only source I can find for Swinton being a member of the LDS Church is FR posts. If it’s “common knowledge” in Colorado Springs, why aren’t a bunch of people making noise about it? I can see how mainstream media might want to avoid annoying the LDS Church by publicizing her membership, but random blogs and internet forums ought to be showing some info on this, but all I can find is a couple of FR posts. What is your source? She sounds like a general nutcase who would be prone to doing lots of thing on impulse — quite possibly an easy mark for LDS missionaries, but also unlikely to stay active in the Church for more than a few weeks after baptism, regardless of what she previously knew or didn’t know re its history with polygamy and blacks.
As one poster alluded to, people who live in Muslim countries and others have no problem with polygamy.
I would worry what people from outside this country thoughtof the subject.
Personally, I’m glad I only have one Wife. LOL!
Make that *wouldn’t worry*
According to your prior posts (with corrections noted):
From the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints:
Once again OMM. Thanks for the opportunity to provide correct information to folks.
Thanks anyway. I just wanted to verify what I heard on the local news this morning. Surprisingly, Texans get the news first. Who’d a thunk?
All laws are imposed morality. Then lets do away with them all and let anarchy reign. Survival of the fittest.
I read that tests were ordered for all, and contempt of court citations could be issued, but more likely they just would never get “their” children back if they don’t comply.
Since she HAS NOT been connected to the ORIGINAL CALLER, it will have nothing to do with the Texas case.
And that is the basis of the FR heretic movement towards anyone that questions the almighty, all knowing, all loving Government. When one’s questions the enormous step the government took and questions the power of the state and wants to see proof of the wild allegations and hyperbolic assertions based on rumors; they are therefore labeled as supporting child rape.
One does not neccesarily relate to the other yet you draw the conclusion. Seems some people need a history lesson on the power of the media to sensationalize rumors and innuedo. Invariably the truth is far from the accusations and time and time again on FR we see the mob out in force, albeit a small mob that seems to have a vested interest in circumventing the rule of law, due process, the constitution, and limited government.
When the facts come out, the mob will just move on to the next sensational object lesson of the day to further their new Government God, incrementally of course.
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