Roommate stunned by claims Colo. woman's bogus call triggered FLDS raid

The Denver Post ^ | 20 Apr 2008 | Kirk Mitchell

[rhombus]

Ah yes, the ping has gone out... and the popcorn is almost ready. :-)

[BGHater]

Dunno about the exact speciics or laws.

The CPS action is a civil action, right?

The police investigating a stolen car is a criminal?

The CPS action is on scale of a health inspector inspecting a property, and using the police to enforce those actions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVACCaVxYEk

[TLI]

BURN THE WITCH!

Actually, that is a pretty good example...

[Spunky]

From Article:In June 2005, Castle Rock police arrested Swinton after she posed as the teen mother of a newborn and told an adoption agency and police she was considering suicide and leaving the baby at a fire station, Castle Rock police Sgt. Scott Claton said.

From the above statement it sounds to me more like she is a nut case and even if she wasn't an Obama delegate she would be doing this kind of thing like she has in the past.

[mnehring]

The CPS action is a civil action, right? The police investigating a stolen car is a criminal?

The CPS action was civil based on a criminal complaint. When the call was made, the Texas Rangers went in to investigate, they witnessed evidence of aggravated sexual assault (first degree felony), they requested a warrant to allow the CPS to remove the children while they investigate the criminal charges. Under Texas State law, the children cannot be left in the situation if there is reasonable situation of criminal sexual assault happening (it is aggravated sexual assault because many of the children were under 16). The YouTube, and most opinions on this case have the situation backwards, the Texas Rangers (in this case) or LEOs used the CPS to remove the children, they were the first in, not the CPS.

Now, there is a major problem with the CPS, I am not denying that. They need to be moved under law enforcement jurisdiction. I know many LEOs and DAs who absolutely hate the CPS because they've dealt with many cases where the CPS returns children to abusive situations without notifying law enforcement, and it ends up becoming a murder situation. The problem is the CPS is not accountable to Law Enforcement, they are accountable to a Texas agency (DFPS).

[massgopguy]

Now they are doing DNA tests on the children to find out who the fathers are. Maybe they should do this with Welfare recipients? Can children be forced to give DNA samples?

[MizSterious]

Oh, you silly freeper you—providing facts? That won’t get you any points with the cult supporters, you know. ;)

[MizSterious]

Actually, the DNA tests are to find out who the mothers are. You see, the people from this cult are refusing to give accurate names and ages, for one thing. For another, it is the custom to remove a child from the mother at an early age and let other women in the community raise them. Some of the kids don't even know who their mothers are, let alone their fathers. Some of the women don't know whose children belong to whom, and in fact, some of them were even transported to this ranch from Canada.

[JHENN22499]

This sounds like a puppy mill

[School of Rational Thought]

So is everything “fruit of a poisoned tree”?

[martinidon]

“Swinton is also listed on the El Paso County Democratic Party's website as her neighborhood precinct's delegate to the state Democratic convention in May, supporting Sen. Barack Obama.”

Okay, how can she be a Texas delegate when it appears she has lived in Colorado for several years? Must be just one of those little minor issues that don't apply to democrats....

[BGHater]

She is a Colorado delegate, their convention is in May.

[Tammy8]

I always confuses me too- but there is an El Paso county in Colorado.

[TLI]

So is everything “fruit of a poisoned tree”?

Only if a reasonable person acting as the LEO petitioning the court did not "act in good faith" in presenting the facts to the judge in order to obtain the warrant.

The current allegation is the Texas LEO's knew Dale Barlow could not reasonably be the person they wanted in the issue because they found out he was actually living in Arizona and had been for some time BEFORE they went to the Judge to obtained the FIRST warrant. That would void a “good faith” argument to let the first warrant stand.

Dale Barlow’s lawyer is the one making the allegation but it seems to be upheld by the authorities in Arizona. The authorities in Arizona are stating that they do not believe he has been to Texas in years.

This can also be supported by the allegation that the first warrant does not have a petitioners signature. That signature would invoke liability on the LEO for presenting false information to obtain a warrant.

It further lends credence as to why “Sarah” can not be identified, she could very well be, in light of the information in this post, be a fabrication.

[burroak]

“The roommate said they never spoke about the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints group, and she did not know anything about false distress calls.”

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What did you expect her to say? Admit that she knew and face a conspiracy charge. That’s why all friends, family, and acquaintances of “ persons of interest” say they never knew the dark side. This is such a non-piece of reporting.

[martinidon]

My bad, I assumed El Paso was Texas

[GovernmentShrinker]

Even if the call was fake, the police had zero way of knowing it was fake, they had to investigate.

And given the history of this group, they had every reason to believe it was real (as it may well have been). Merril Jessop, the man in charge of the compound, is the ex-husband of Carolyn Jessop, who wrote a book about her life in the cult and after escaping, and described Merril's activities in horrifying detail. Merril was installed as the Bishop at this compound by "prophet" Warren Jeffs, who is now serving a prison term in Utah for being an accomplice to the rape of a 14 year old, and is also facing charges in Arizona of raping underage girls himself.

[GovernmentShrinker]

If the roommate reported that Swinton had expressed interest in and concern about the FLDS practices, that wouldn’t make the roommate part of any conspiracy. Lots of people have expressed concern about the activities of this cult, but few if any others have made hoax phone calls about it.

[isrul]

"If they witnessed a crime (aggravated sexual assault of a minor), they are obligated to act on that, which they did."

I honestly wasn't aware they witnessed anything of the sort. Can you share what it was they actually witnessed?

[isrul]

So won't they need DNA from the women to compare to the DNA from the children? without DNA to compare to another, you get nothing. Can the women be compelled to give DNA sample?