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Highland Bagpipe Is A Recent Invention For Nostalgic Scotish Emigrés, Expert Claims
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-19-1008 | Patrick Sawer

Posted on 04/19/2008 7:19:17 AM PDT by blam

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Mel Gibson's use of the kilt in the movie "Braveheart" was incorrect. The kilt did not begin to be used until a period much later than Braveheart.
1 posted on 04/19/2008 7:19:18 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

"Mr Cheape argues that following the defeat of Bonnie Prince Charlie and his men, educated and wealthy expatriate Scots living in London tried to keep the flame of nationhood burning and in 1778 founded the Highland Society of London with the aim of “preserving the martial spirits, language, dress, music and antiquities of the ancient Caledonians”

Many of the Scots who were fighting with Bonnie Prince Charles were forced to leave Scotland...many settled in North Carolina and began harvesting rosen/pitch from the native pine trees that would be used in ship repair.

The term 'Tar Heels' can be traced to these early Scots.

At one time, North Carolina was world renowned for ship repair quality and ship building expertise. (Wooden ships)

2 posted on 04/19/2008 7:27:02 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
In Other News:

Late snow gives Scots resorts a ski lift

3 posted on 04/19/2008 7:29:56 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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The Northumbrian pipes have a similar background. In the early 19th century, skilled makers turned a primitive folk instrument into a sophisticated little pipe.

The reasons for this is pretty obvious. Primitive shepherds and clansman didn’t have the money to commission such fancy instruments, and modern steel tools and machinery are needed to make really good ones.

I don’t think we have a Northumbrian pipe ping list here.


4 posted on 04/19/2008 7:33:16 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: blam

“A simpler type of pipe, which has its roots in the Islamic world, the Mediterranean and eastern Europe, was popular throughout the Highlands until the defeat of the Jacobite rebellion at the battle of Culloden in 1745.”
Need I say more?


5 posted on 04/19/2008 7:38:11 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: the scotsman; sionnsar; SWAMPSNIPER; fieldmarshaldj

Scotland ping


6 posted on 04/19/2008 7:41:43 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Those in the national Republican leadership do the work of three men- Moe, Larry, and Curly.)
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To: blam

I learned of a group of direct descendants of these Scots living in a remote part of North Carolina (said to still be speaking “Elizabethan English”, among other things). At one point the British had confiscated all their bagpipes as the music was thought to foment rebellion.

In a small church in the mountains the congregation substituted their own voices: men as the drone pipes and the women as the chanter. I actually heard on NPR this group singing (playing?) “Amazing Grace”. No words, just human sounds evoking the lost bagpipes.

The sound was unique, to say the least.


7 posted on 04/19/2008 8:00:42 AM PDT by elcid1970 (My cartridges are dipped in pig grease.)
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It is said that Robert the Bruce marched to the Battle of Bannockbum in 1314 with his troops playing the pipes. The Irish have stone carvings dating back to the 12th century depicting the pipes.


8 posted on 04/19/2008 8:08:13 AM PDT by johnny7
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When you actually get into the article, you see that the headline is totally sensationalist and inaccurate.

The article acknowledges that pre-1745 Highlanders played the pipes and that chiefs actually founded colleges of piping. AND that there were "well-established pipe makers in Edinburgh." What were they making? Oboes?

And the British went to the trouble to ban the pipes after Culloden as "instruments of war" -

All that went on was the usual Victorian technical improvements which occurred in everything else around that time. Of course you had the hiatus while the pipes were banned, and things were bound to change a little, but I see this as much ado about nothing much.

9 posted on 04/19/2008 8:12:05 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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The classic definition of an optimist;

A bagpipe player with a pager......

10 posted on 04/19/2008 8:14:52 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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I don’t think we have a Northumbrian pipe ping list here.

Wouldn't that be a screech-howl-squawk list?

11 posted on 04/19/2008 8:26:51 AM PDT by OSHA (framing it as though you've magically neutralized any potential negative eventuality)
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I thought the name “tar heel” sprang from the Civil War. According to legend, NC regiments were prone to bolt in the face of the enemy. Reportedly, Gen Robert E Lee said that soldiers in NC regiments needed to have tar put on their heels to keep them from running away rather than fight the Army of the Potomac.
12 posted on 04/19/2008 8:41:17 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: blam

This article is full of wind.

Sounds like a grant student looking for sensationalism, so instead of picking a fight w the muslims he’d going after the Scots.


13 posted on 04/19/2008 8:48:40 AM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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Mel Gibson's use of the kilt in the movie "Braveheart" was incorrect. The kilt did not begin to be used until a period much later than Braveheart.

Historical accuracy isn't exactly Mel Gibson's strong suit. ;)

14 posted on 04/19/2008 8:49:43 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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"That'sall crop."

15 posted on 04/19/2008 8:54:26 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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Er, no. The Northumbrian pipe has a tonality similar to a clarinet.


16 posted on 04/19/2008 8:59:30 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Keith Brown

Yep, this is merely iconoclastic journalism. Consider the source here.


17 posted on 04/19/2008 9:07:14 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: quadrant; blam
Univ. of N.C. link

3 versions of the origin of 'tarheel' from UNC.

18 posted on 04/19/2008 9:22:21 AM PDT by eldoradude (Think for yourself!)
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I hardly think any version of the term “tar heel” published by UNC is likely to be objective or factual, especially if the version is unflattering.


19 posted on 04/19/2008 9:34:04 AM PDT by quadrant
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“Historical accuracy isn’t exactly Mel Gibson’s strong suit. ;)”

So what?

It was a fun movie.


20 posted on 04/19/2008 10:08:36 AM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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