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Mothers of Sect Children Forced to Leave
Google News ^ | 14 April 2008 | By JENNIFER DOBNER and MICHAEL GRACZYK

Posted on 04/14/2008 8:17:56 PM PDT by BlackVeil

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To: Ciexyz

Welfare scam? Hmmm, let’s see: 1/ Get married legally the first time. 2/ Other wives - marry in church only; no civil license. 3/ Have separate living quarters on your property for other wives (mobile homes are OK). 4/ Other wives have kids, go on welfare as single moms. 5/ When the gumm’nt snoops, the party line is that “I felt sorry for that poor lady, bought her a trailer, let her park it on my property, etc.” End of speculation.

Now, on to my firsthand experience in western UT: Overall, they’re a likeable bunch of folks. Not real educated or sophisticated, though (as if New Yorkers were any great deal either). Most all the kids look like they’ve been bleached in Clorox. They oughta import some Italians or South Americans to put some color in their pups. ;o) BTW, many of the guys have only one wife, and have been with the community for decades. Some say a big concern is that disenfranchised testosterone-filled male young’uns are a danger to any society. Just look at the Arabs; no contact with wimmings ‘till marriage makes ‘em crazy.


21 posted on 04/14/2008 9:20:21 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Jubal Harshaw

These parents send their children, some as young as early teens, to marry 50 year old men and let them have sexual intercourse and have babies. They deserve not just to lose their children, but jailed or executed.

“I’m not so sure I can imagine anything much more wicked that the state could do,”

I can. They sit back and let this cult continue to rape and impregnate their children.


22 posted on 04/14/2008 9:23:16 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

>>They also use every loophole in the book to avoid paying taxes on their property or any income they make.<<

Wow, none of us FreePers would ever do that.


23 posted on 04/14/2008 9:23:25 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

One can only imagine the sick perversions ongoing around the country today, with the homosexual community so devoted to fostering children, which probably won’t ever see the light of day for another 20-70 years.

It is probably a blessing in disguise to closely analyze this incident so that when future perversions become public, they might be righteously resolved by our judicial and law enforcement systems.


24 posted on 04/14/2008 9:29:19 PM PDT by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

The allegations need not be proved on a case-by-case basis? Or there does not need to probable cause applied to a specific individual? Well, that’s a first in American justice.


25 posted on 04/14/2008 9:30:02 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

And if the men were removed, while leaving the mothers (or most of them), I am at a loss as to how the “rape and impregnation” activities could continue.


26 posted on 04/14/2008 9:32:06 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: gidget7

What the “men” need to realize is that they are not running the show anymore.


27 posted on 04/14/2008 9:38:24 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Jubal Harshaw

I agree fully with what you have said.

It seems to me that if the state intends to pursue this madness to its full conclusion, that many of the children will be adults by the time the hearings, appeals, and lawsuits are finally at an end.


28 posted on 04/14/2008 9:39:18 PM PDT by claudiustg (You know it and I know it.)
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To: berdie

Be careful about hesitating to condemn anyone, when facing extreme evil.

You can bet that for every hesitance to charge, take action, convict or even accuse somebody in this situation, there will be 10 homosexuals in the international and American community closely watching and learning how they might be able to act without being held accountably with foster and adopted children. In most of those cases, such criminal behavior might go undetected by the public for decades.

Consider this compound in the news. It didn’t just spring up overnight.


29 posted on 04/14/2008 9:39:29 PM PDT by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: claudiustg

Works for me.


30 posted on 04/14/2008 9:48:35 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: acw011

“Anybody know where this group gets its funding?”

welfare fraud.
They detest the outside world, but are quite willing to live off the earnings of outsiders.


31 posted on 04/14/2008 9:48:53 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: BlackVeil

Since some of these women refuse to tell the authorites which children are blood related to them, I feel no pain if the children are “taken” from them. If the mothers refuse to claim them, why should we care if the state takes them away?!


32 posted on 04/14/2008 9:52:06 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Catch the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon film at a time!)
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To: BlackVeil
What I see in this is an all out war the next time the state of Texas knocks on the door of a religious compound.
This is a mess and has been from the beginning. The suggestion of removing the men and returning the women and children to the compound is the only sane thing I've herd yet.
I am totally against these forced marriages and child rape but the children are the only innocents in this and so far they are the only ones being punished.
what is the state of Texas going to do if the search warrant gets tossed???? It might not pass the smell test unless they can produce the girl who made the call and so far they can't.
33 posted on 04/14/2008 9:58:28 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: Cvengr

I don’t condemn the action the authorities took at all. There was a cry for help. They acted on it. It was a communal living arrangement, by all accounts. So all would be suspect.

But until there is a trial and verdict..I don’t think anyone can truly say what the whole story is. Sorry, but until the evil is proven, I won’t condemn anyone. My gut level says, probably a very bad thing.

That maybe why the mothers were removed from the older children. They won’t be coached.


34 posted on 04/14/2008 9:58:38 PM PDT by berdie
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To: BlackVeil
"CPS also said about two dozen teenage boys were moved to a facility"

I am kind of curious about the male to female breakdown of these children. I have heard there are as many as 400 girls? Haven't heard anything about boys except what I quoted above. I understand that these perverts dump the adolescent boys out on the street, but what happens to the young males?

35 posted on 04/14/2008 10:07:31 PM PDT by matthew fuller (John Moses Browning, Charlton 'Moses' Heston, two of America's greatest heroes.)
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To: gidget7
"until it is proven they are not guilty of anything"

Thank God that there is someone here who knows how this is going to turn out! sarc/

36 posted on 04/14/2008 10:10:35 PM PDT by matthew fuller (John Moses Browning, Charlton 'Moses' Heston, two of America's greatest heroes.)
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To: gidget7
"What they should be doing is removing the men, with restraining orders or whatever it takes, until it is proven they are not guilty of anything, and let the kids go home. It isn’t their fault, they did not ask to be born."

This whole thing sure looks ugly to me. Removing the women and children and then separating the children from their mothers to be sent out to foster homes. Who's crackpot idea was this? Isn't that adding insult to injury and God knows what else? How is that an improvement over their previous condition? People used to marry a lot earlier in the 1800's when the Original LDS church was established. You got married right after puberty. You had to grow up a lot faster and accept the mantle of manhood and womanhood. Even in the Bible, did not the kings have a wife and their concubines? Polygamy has been practiced all over the world for thousands of years. It's nothing new. Save the children for what? How is the common good magnified by inflicting such a psychic wound upon these children?

37 posted on 04/14/2008 10:37:35 PM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: JRochelle

I saw it also. Jaw dropping. She said ‘Nazi camps’ AC had to fill in the ‘concentration’ for her. Then she said she was ‘studied in history.’

She appeared angry, aggressive and confrontational.

All I can say is just — wow! She was a PR nightmare.
After seeing that it makes me grateful my State had the good sense to get those kids out of there.

Could you ping me to this list if their is one? Thanks.


38 posted on 04/14/2008 10:48:20 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: awaken2spirit

In the year of our Lord 2008, the legal age of consent in Texas is 17. And polygamy is illegal.


39 posted on 04/14/2008 10:48:24 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
"In the year of our Lord 2008, the legal age of consent in Texas is 17. And polygamy is illegal."

I knew that. On the other hand, are we not encouraging our kids to expeeeeeeeeriment with sexxxxxx and explore different expeeeeeriences, yada yada yada? I'm not so much looking at it from a legal perspective, as a cultural one. Now if that church is running a scam by having the "spiritual wives" collect welfare that is clearly fraud and should be dealt with by cutting off the government teat. I frankly don't think the government has the cahones to take on this issue in the Muslim community.

40 posted on 04/14/2008 11:03:14 PM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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