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Quettesville on "Revelations in Carla del Ponte's book" regarding atrocities against Kosovo Serbs
The London Daily Telegraph ^ | April 11, 2008 | Harry de Quettesville

Posted on 04/12/2008 8:50:14 AM PDT by Ravnagora

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1 posted on 04/12/2008 8:50:14 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

i’m waiting for this to be aired on Fox News..............


2 posted on 04/12/2008 8:55:49 AM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: tired1

> i’m waiting for this to be aired on Fox News..............

Don’t hold your breath.


3 posted on 04/12/2008 9:24:43 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Bokababe; Calpernia

FYI


4 posted on 04/12/2008 9:31:35 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Ravnagora

There are few creatures on earth lower, more deserving of the contempt of civilized human beings than Albanians, yet they are the financiers of the McCain presidential bid, the joyous beneficiaries of the deaths of countless Orthodox Serbian civilians at the hands of Clinton lead NATO forces and deemed worthy of high praise and hundreds of millions of dollars from the present Administration.

Its discouraging, R, very discouraging.


5 posted on 04/12/2008 9:32:45 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Ravnagora
Among the prisoners who were taken to these barracks were women from Kosovo, Albania, Russia and other Slavic countries.

Poor choice of words; Albanians would not care to be called Slavs.

6 posted on 04/12/2008 9:37:38 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: AuntB
It is tempting to draw conclusions from these investigations, combined with the fragmentary testimony from the journalists. Stories of prisoners killed by organ traffickers circulate in many conflict areas, but rarely is it possible to find concrete proof which would separate these tales from urban legend

There is witness testimony that this author did not quote:

"General Mamir Stayanovich was head of the intelligence service of the Serbian army during the war.

He has no doubt that the claims in Del Ponte’s book will sooner or later be proven. The places she mentions as hidden operation rooms are in exactly the same location as the camps Albanians used for training soldiers.

“In these hospitals they decided amongst themselves what each commander of the KLA would have. They decided who would make his money from drug dealing, who from weapons, and who from selling body parts. Hashim Thaci, the prime minister, was among them,” General Stayanovich claims.

There are more than 2,000 names on the list of missing Serbs. Sima Spasich is the leader of an organisation trying to discover their fate. He showed the pictures of body parts he filmed in 2003.

“Right after the war, when we understood that too many people had disappeared, I went to the KFor commanders and asked them where were the people, and they just shrugged their shoulders. Only after they saw Serbian people demonstrating and were afraid of their anger, they took me to some place,” Spasich said.

“I cannot explain what I saw there. It was a small mountain of pieces of bodies and the first thing I saw was a baby who’d been taken from his mother’s stomach, lying there. It was impossible to look. It was a massive grave they’d dug before. Today I know in this massive grave were 26 Serb bodies - also there was my brother Milosh,” Spasich added.

7 posted on 04/12/2008 9:56:58 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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the sentence twins ‘Russia and other Slavic nations’, not Albania and Slavic nations.


8 posted on 04/12/2008 9:58:42 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

9 posted on 04/12/2008 9:59:41 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Ravnagora
Serbs lie. The pope is catholic. Water is wet. Bears...
10 posted on 04/12/2008 10:07:42 AM PDT by JasonC
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For those interested to as unbiased version of events as is possible to conceive, try Unholy Terror, Bosnia, Al-Qa'ida and the Rise of Global Jihad, John R. Schindler, Zenith Press, 2007, ISBN 978-0-7603-3003-6

There is little reason to doubt the limitless evil of certain practicioners of islam...

11 posted on 04/12/2008 10:44:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Serbs lie. The pope is catholic. Water is wet. Bears...

Ummmm.
K.

And muslims are misunderstood...

12 posted on 04/12/2008 10:46:24 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Kolokotronis

BUMP


13 posted on 04/12/2008 11:19:57 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: tired1
Fox News

Is there such a thing anymore?????

14 posted on 04/12/2008 11:52:06 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda ( MUST SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc)
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To: Kolokotronis

Discouraging, Kolo, yes. But everything that’s “Bad” has its point of diminishing returns.

Don’t forget that there is a higher power than John McCain, George W. Bush, Condi, Thaci, the U.N., etc.

He will be the final arbitrator of who gets what in this scenario.

I’m very encouraged about the book. Notice it was not published in ENGLISH. Very telling. But, now, in part thanks, I believe, to Free Republic, more and more attention is being paid to this.

It’s early yet in “Kosova’s independence”. The southern states in the U.S. tried this, too, back some years ago, and things didn’t work out. So, be encouraged.


15 posted on 04/12/2008 11:59:01 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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Sobieski wrote:

“the sentence twins ‘Russia and other Slavic nations’, not Albania and Slavic nations.”

Sobieski, you win the reading comprehension prize of the day!

Good catch.


16 posted on 04/12/2008 12:01:33 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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Who were these trustworthy journalists and why didn't they publish in 1999? In 2000? In 2001? In 2003? Today?

This would have been a gigantic story. It would have guaranteed you a Pulitzer. Yet no one published?

If this took place it was a crime of monumental proportions. And all who participated on knew and did nothing deserve exemplary punishment. Or it is a lie of monumental proportions.

Evidence, please.

17 posted on 04/12/2008 12:12:32 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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Cheburashka wrote:

“Who were these trustworthy journalists and why didn’t they publish in 1999? In 2000? In 2001? In 2003? Today?
This would have been a gigantic story. It would have guaranteed you a Pulitzer. Yet no one published?”

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There were many stories worthy of publication during those years. And in the 1990s. However, stories that exposed atrocities against Serbs were NOT politically correct. Censorship of “Serb friendly” stories was so rampant that regardless of the “evidence” or the “source”, they were either nixed or invalidated or trivialized as “Serb propaganda”. Anything pro-Moslem, i.e. ‘Bosnian’ or pro-Albanian, i.e. ‘Kosovar’ was welcomed, was encouraged, was published, was accepted, and was validated by whatever phony means necessary, and it became “the truth”.

People didn’t “demand evidence” when it came any stories demonizing the Serbs. And plenty of evidence was “manufactured” to fulfill the anti-Serb agenda. Even massacres were “manufactured”.

This story would not have seen the light of day back then, much less guaranteed anyone the Pulitzer prize.

Would you be asking for “evidence” if this had been a story about Serbs doing business with Albanian organs?


18 posted on 04/12/2008 12:27:13 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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Would you be asking for “evidence” if this had been a story about Serbs doing business with Albanian organs?

I would not ask for "evidence", as you put it, I would ask for evidence. Just the same as regarding this story.

Interesting that you do not feel the need for evidence, or "evidence", for that matter (whatever the difference between the two is in your mind). It says much about your mindset.

19 posted on 04/12/2008 1:20:39 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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“Evidence” or Evidence - it doesn’t matter. Requests for neither were accomodated by U.N. and Kosovo officials, an essential point that del Ponte makes.

Cases have been tried on the basis of ‘circumstantial evidence’ in the United States, and such has been compelling enough for a justified conviction.

If there was nothing “wrong” [or wrong] going on, U.N. officials and Kosovo officials would have been more accomodating in complying with the “evidence” [or evidence] gathering requests. And, of course, if Serbs had been accused of the crimes, the “officials” [or officals] would have been more than happy to provide all the “evidence” [or evidence] requested.


20 posted on 04/12/2008 2:26:27 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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