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More Catholic Schools Closing Across US
newsmax.com ^ | April 12, 2008 | staff

Posted on 04/12/2008 6:53:15 AM PDT by kellynla

MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. -- For 46 years, crime, recessions and hurricanes proved no threat to the daily ritual of St. Monica School, where the entire blue-and-white uniformed student body gathered outside each morning to join in prayer.

Come June, though, the tradition will fade away, and "amen" will close St. Monica's morning recitations for the last time. The school, a home-away-from-home for mostly minority students, will close.

As Pope Benedict XVI next week makes his first trip to the U.S. as pontiff, Catholic schools across the country, long a force in educating the underprivileged regardless of their faith, face the same fate as St. Monica.

About 1,267 Catholic schools have closed since 2000 and enrollment nationwide has dropped by 382,125 students, or 14 percent, according to the National Catholic Education Association. The problem is most apparent in inner cities, in schools like St. Monica with large concentrations of minorities whose parents often struggle to pay tuition rather than send them to failing public schools.

"We lose the kids. They can't afford it. And then as the school gets smaller, you have to raise the tuition to pay the costs and it's a vicious cycle," said Sister Dale McDonald, the association's director of public policy and education research.

The pope will gather with Catholic educators during his visit, but not those who run elementary schools _ the meeting is with college presidents.

St. Monica has been operating on a deficit for about a decade. Enrollment went from 368 students in 2004 to 196 today. Requests for financial aid increased. The Archdiocese of Miami devoted more than $2.7 million in subsidies over the past seven years to keep it open.

"There's not the numbers there to keep going," said Kristen Hughes, superintendent of schools for the archdiocese. "The economy really has had a huge impact."

McDonald notes Catholic schools have been closing since their peak in the 1960s, when there were 12,893 schools with about 5.25 million students. Today, there are 7,378 schools with 2.27 million students. The decline in enrollment is accelerating, fueling further school closures.

The recent economic downturn is being blamed for some of them, but McDonald said dioceses' huge payouts to settle sex abuse lawsuits could have played a role too.

"We have no direct correlation," she said, "but as the dioceses have gone into financial debt the funds to subsidize these schools would be diminished."

High school enrollment has remained roughly the same and schools are opening in suburbs, particularly in the West and Southwest. The Northeast and Midwest have been hit hardest.

Some dioceses have turned to public-private partnerships to keep schools open, and others have created consortiums of schools to share resources. In the Archdiocese of Washington, officials plan to convert seven schools into publicly funded charter schools this fall.

Taking taxpayer money means sacrificing the core element of Catholic schools: their faith. The schools won't be able to have prayers, and will have to strip religion from the curriculum. That has prompted petitions from parents who want the schools to stay as they are.

"What is lost is the teachings of the Catholic faith," said Joe McKenzie, a 41-year-old technology consultant who has two children at St. Gabriel School in Washington. "That voice will be silent."

McDonald said she is concerned, too. Catholic schools were once considered vital to passing on the faith to the next generation and to exposing multitudes of non-Catholics to the church. With declining enrollment, the church will need to find new means.

Perhaps most distressing to McDonald and others is the loss of schools in the inner city.

"The church has always had a strong sense of mission, particularly to the poor," she said. "As it becomes more and more difficult, not only on the poor but on middle-income people, we're not really fulfilling the mission of the church to serve all if we only can afford to serve the people who can afford the big bucks."

The issue has caught the attention of President Bush, who called faith-based schools "lifelines of learning" in his State of the Union address and said they were disappearing at an alarming rate. The White House will host a summit on the topic later this month.

Advocates for Catholic schools say it's in the public's interest to preserve them. McDonald said Catholic school students save the government $19.8 billion annually.

"They've left these urban inner-city schools when they close and they have to go somewhere," said Virginia Gentles, who oversees the nonpublic education office of the U.S. Department of Education. "It could be tough for the districts financially and from other standpoints to absorb those children."

For now, parents still line up in cars outside St. Monica each afternoon to pick their children up. Many say how sad they are to see it close.


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Sad. As a "cradle Catholic" who was educated by the Sisters of Mercy & the Christian Brothers for 12 years, I have some fond memories of a Catholic education & experience.

Semper Fi, Kelly

1 posted on 04/12/2008 6:53:15 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses

ping


2 posted on 04/12/2008 6:53:52 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

If the children were being led to chant prayers to Allah they would be receiving taxpayer funding.


3 posted on 04/12/2008 6:54:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: kellynla

I was educated by the Sisters of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul, the Notre Dame nuns. Highly educated, very motivated ladies, and sadly, very few left. My advice to any trying to have an intellectual argument with any of the good sisters is that they better know their facts.


4 posted on 04/12/2008 6:58:16 AM PDT by ops33
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To: kellynla; All

“Taking taxpayer money means sacrificing the core element of Catholic schools: their faith. The schools won’t be able to have prayers, and will have to strip religion from the curriculum. That has prompted petitions from parents who want the schools to stay as they are.”

What’s the problem with forming private religious schools? No money in it? It won’t serve the poor? Isn’t this another example of letting market forces work and keeping government (tax dollars) out of the way?

I attended a private Lutheran School as part of my education as a kid. I had a full scholarship to a private Lutheran college. What’s the scoop? Are Lutheran schools failing at the same rate? Is the failure of these Catholic schools a result from all of the money bilked from the Catholics over bogus “repressed memory” sex abuse lawsuits?

Just askin’...


5 posted on 04/12/2008 7:03:04 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: kellynla

This will only embolden the NEA and their minions to keep vouchers off the table. And why not? Their strategerie seems to be working. Sadly.


6 posted on 04/12/2008 7:04:39 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
...Is the failure of these Catholic schools a result from all of the money bilked from the Catholics over bogus “repressed memory” sex abuse lawsuits?...

There is something there... Many people in general lost respect for a hypocritical antics of the Catholic church. The handling of the sexual abuses of CHILDREN brought to light finally that this churh is not so holly after all. Rather the contrary. And so there is resentment out there and if the CC itself were to disappear, many would not give a damn.

7 posted on 04/12/2008 7:20:30 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck?.. Naah :))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Most of the schools in my area that close are in areas where the population changes and there aren’t enought catholics around to support it. Remember these are neighborhood schools.

There is also the pesky issue of property taxes taking larger and larger chunks of income and leaving some with little choice.

I have friends whose real estate choices pretty much dictated their school choice.


8 posted on 04/12/2008 7:21:55 AM PDT by PrincessB ("I am an expert on my own opinion." - Dave Ramsey)
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To: kellynla

Here in Djakarta, the Catholic schools are bursting. First tier schools like Santa Ursula, Santa Teresia, and Tarakanita, which my daughters attended, are very difficult to qualify for.
In many of the second tier Catholic schools, a large percentage of the students are RIPpers, as their parents recognise the superiority of these schools. They go through the motions of Catholic religious courses, but the schools wisely make the muzzie parents pay through the nose ........


9 posted on 04/12/2008 7:21:55 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: punchamullah

RIPpers? ROPpers?


10 posted on 04/12/2008 7:26:29 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: kellynla

“”We lose the kids. They can’t afford it. And then as the school gets smaller, you have to raise the tuition to pay the costs and it’s a vicious cycle,” said Sister Dale McDonald, the association’s director of public policy and education research.”

That’s part of the problem.
Another big problem was switching from staffs consisting of teaching nuns, volunteers, or laypeople willing to work for less - to certified teachers with competitive salaries and benefits.

In our area I found the tension between the “social justice/working wage” folks and the realities of skyrocketing costs to catholic schools very interesting.

If there was an offender to the principle of the “working wage” - it was the catholic school system paying low salaries.
They raised salaries and benefits - which made catholic education a luxury for the wealthy.


11 posted on 04/12/2008 7:26:36 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: kellynla

I had a similar 12 year experience with Sisters of the Holy Ghost for elementary school and Dominican sisters and priests in high school. The academics were outstanding, but it was equally about building character and people skills such as learning obedience to rules, honesty and integrity, self discipline, delayed gratification, respect for others, empathy, etc. Of course all of this was reinforced at home. All in all it’s a type of education we don’t see a lot of anymore.


12 posted on 04/12/2008 7:27:52 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Is the failure of these Catholic schools a result from all of the money bilked from the Catholics over bogus “repressed memory” sex abuse lawsuits?

Are you saying all of the sex abuse at catholic churches and schools was bogus??

13 posted on 04/12/2008 7:35:34 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ElPatriota
“Many people in general lost respect for a hypocritical antics of the Catholic church. The handling of the sexual abuses of CHILDREN brought to light finally that this churh is not so holly after all. Rather the contrary. And so there is resentment out there and if the CC itself were to disappear, many would not give a damn.”

my, my...what a wide bigoted brush you wave...

"that this churh is not so holly after all"
well for starters, we can see that you obviously didn't get a Catholic education; you misspelled "church" and "holy" but you did spell "damn" correctly; you managed to correctly spell what you apparently find important.

"if the CC itself were to disappear, many would not give a damn."

The Founder, Our Lord Jesus Christ will "give a damn."

But you keep up the anti-Catholic smears and see how you fair when the time comes to meet your Maker. LOL

14 posted on 04/12/2008 7:40:17 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Could there also be the fall out that sex abuse scandals mean fewer parents WANT their children in Catholic school?
Not just the lack of money due to payouts, but that parents are choosing failing public schools over moral failings in Catholic ones.


15 posted on 04/12/2008 7:45:31 AM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: McLynnan

I also went to Catholic Schools up through the 9th grade. I went to public high school at my choice because the Catholic high schools were all boys. Just because of some bad apples, you can’t throw Catholic education to the wolves. Many, many kids got one heck of an education in Catholic schools. I don’t believe that the problems in the schools are any worse that the public schools. It’s just that the media loves to pick on any thing that will sell more papers.


16 posted on 04/12/2008 7:48:37 AM PDT by RC2
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To: kellynla
.. Catholic education; you misspelled "church" and "holy" but...

Oh SPELLING Class... this is a classic! FYI it is not my fault that they don't make better spell checkers...LOL

Now try to pat th spalling problam aside and thing of this: if people like you had shown MORE OUTRAGE at the abasus of the chuuuurch then perhpas the chaaarch would have been more enfactic in its denuciation of the problem...rather thatn just wating for the problem just to GO AWYA.... GO AWAY...

Have a nice day :)

17 posted on 04/12/2008 7:50:14 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck?.. Naah :))
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To: kellynla

My guess is there’s more to this than the economy. The economy was horrible in the 70’s, they didn’t close then.

Also, I know lots of kids who aren’t Catholic who actually go to Catholic school. Inner city kids whose parents have money problems won’t send them to the P.S’s, and they can’t afford an expensive private school. Voila, lots of minority non Catholics in Catholic school.

My guess is, it’s the rise of school alternatives. You can homeschool, and there are charter schools, online, etc. Florida has some nice online virtual schools. The neighborhood catholic school is no longer the last bastion of people who won’t PS.


18 posted on 04/12/2008 7:50:55 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: org.whodat
“Are you saying all of the sex abuse at catholic churches and schools was bogus??”

As one who was out in front in removing those who abused others, the accusations were not “bogus” but vastly overstated. And the anti-Catholic MSM played it to the max!
Certainly there were sexual abuses by homosexuals on teenagers but the actual numbers of those who were involved in sexual abuse were a fraction of the number reported.
But one, is one too many! And I am proud to say that I helped remove more than one priest from our diocese!
Unfortunately, the Church was led to believe by psychologists that these abusers could be “cured” and for decades the Church was misled. Of course, now we know better and these violators are removed!

Finally, anyone who thinks that such abuses are only in the Catholic Church are fooling themselves. As there have been plenty of other religious, private and public schools, churches and synagogues that have been guilty too.

19 posted on 04/12/2008 7:54:26 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: I still care

“I know lots of kids who aren’t Catholic who actually go to Catholic school.”

And for decades, many children from low income families have attended Catholic schools for FREE.

But lets not inject facts into this thread;
that would spoil the smearing from the anti-Catholic bigots! LOL


20 posted on 04/12/2008 8:01:30 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Yeah....sorry, that’s what I meant.


21 posted on 04/12/2008 8:09:50 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: kellynla

A brand new “state of the art” Catholic High School is being built in my neighborhood; I may send all my children there if it is built in time. (Right now they attend a K-8 Lutheran school.)

There is great demand for Catholic schools in the suburbs, where most children live these days. There are fewer children in the cities, where these schools are now closing.

I attended Catholic school in the 1980s, switched to a public high school, and high school was so much easier! The Catholic education was definitely more challenging and just better.


22 posted on 04/12/2008 8:12:11 AM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: kellynla

Cradle Catholic here too

St. Joseph Nuns for us

Memories of Catholic school will remain in our hearts forever. It was the BEST!!!


23 posted on 04/12/2008 8:13:30 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: NonValueAdded

Payouts to molested children hasn’t helped, either.


24 posted on 04/12/2008 8:20:39 AM PDT by rabidralph (Hillary is the MSM's Bimbo Eruption.)
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To: kellynla
I was taught by the Sisters of St. Joseph in Philadelphia in the 1960’s.
We had 1200+ students squeezed into 20 classrooms, so each class averaged about 60 students. No teacher's aide, either.

We managed to get an excellent education, and there were very few disciplinary problems. I also got a strong grounding in the Catholic faith which has stayed with me to this day.

Where did all those good sisters go?

25 posted on 04/12/2008 8:22:19 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: org.whodat

Nope. It was just very costly for them.


26 posted on 04/12/2008 8:23:37 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: kellynla

And in the government and the white house and the senate and industry and corporations and universities and on and on and on. You are either an honorable person with morals and values or you are not. Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference where you work, play or go to school.


27 posted on 04/12/2008 8:27:42 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: kellynla

Cradle Catholic here too

St. Joseph Nuns for us

Memories of Catholic school will remain in our hearts forever. It was the BEST!!!


28 posted on 04/12/2008 8:27:57 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

>>Are Lutheran schools failing at the same rate?

In general, yes.


29 posted on 04/12/2008 8:36:38 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: Deo volente

“Where did all those good sisters go?”

The Collapse of Religious and Priestly Vocations

“The evils in modern society - the loss of faith, contraception, sterilization, value-free sex education, abortion and the threatening euthanasia - are not only anti-life but are destroyers of families in multiple ways. What destroys families, destroys the Church.”
http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Faith/0304-96/vocations.html

And the good news...

“125 percent increase in the number of inquirers
contacting religious communities
19 percent increase in those entering religious life in the past three years”
http://www.vocation-network.org/articles/read/113


30 posted on 04/12/2008 8:38:56 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: punchamullah

No criticism intended, just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.


31 posted on 04/12/2008 8:46:23 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: kellynla
St. Andrews Catholic School K-8th Grade
Bishop Moore Catholic High School 9th-12th Grade

Best years of my life! Mass under the Pines! Ah, memories!

32 posted on 04/12/2008 8:49:14 AM PDT by seeingthroughtheblur
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To: Deo volente

>>Where did all those good sisters go?

They became P.E. teachers in San Francisco...?


33 posted on 04/12/2008 8:50:25 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: rabidralph

“Payouts to molested children hasn’t helped, either.”

and to those who weren’t...


34 posted on 04/12/2008 8:58:00 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

The left is happy.


35 posted on 04/12/2008 8:58:43 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: ops33

I have not met met many school nuns of late and the one I did encounter about six months back seems more liberal than nun.


36 posted on 04/12/2008 9:09:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ops33

me too....Sisters of Charity in grade school...


37 posted on 04/12/2008 9:34:14 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Catholic schools have ALWAYS served non-Catholics....many who are poor, with little resources...if others who could not afford private school were locked, out, maybe there wouldn’t be the financial crisis there is today...


38 posted on 04/12/2008 9:36:59 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Scotswife

just a little reminder folks....when referring to “Catholic” anything, generally it is the polite thing to do is to use capitals.....I do that when referring to Mormons or even Muslims...Jews for sure....


39 posted on 04/12/2008 9:39:36 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Deo volente
"I also got a strong grounding in the Catholic faith which has stayed with me to this day."

I have to admit that I am not a great, regular church going Catholic.....

but I believe my Catholic education was great, particularly in grade school....

it gave me a world view and a view of life that young people just can not grasp these days....that we are part of the world, that we are citizens, under God, that it is our responsibility to do good in this world....

we had good Sisters and not so good Sisters, but then we also had the GREAT Sisters....and we all had our favorites..

40 posted on 04/12/2008 9:44:02 AM PDT by cherry
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To: kellynla

But you keep up the anti-Catholic smears and see how you fair when the time comes to meet your Maker. LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Fair should have been fare.


41 posted on 04/12/2008 9:50:25 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Scotswife
Another big problem was switching from staffs consisting of teaching nuns, volunteers, or laypeople willing to work for less - to certified teachers with competitive salaries and benefits.

One problem is that the salaries and benefits are not competitive with public schools. Around here, an experienced public school teacher makes more than $55k. The teachers in some of the less successful Catholic schools were making less than half and the quality of the faculty suffered.

42 posted on 04/12/2008 9:51:23 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: kellynla

Might I ask where you taught by the Brothers of De LaSalle?

St. Louis for me.

Regards

alfa6 :>}


43 posted on 04/12/2008 10:00:46 AM PDT by alfa6 (One mans magic is another mans engineering... L.L.)
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To: alfa6

Christian Brothers College in Memphis


44 posted on 04/12/2008 10:02:41 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: RipSawyer

I stand corrected.


45 posted on 04/12/2008 10:03:39 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I looked at going to college there once upon a wee time.

Thanks a lot and have a great day.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


46 posted on 04/12/2008 10:09:33 AM PDT by alfa6 (One mans magic is another mans engineering... L.L.)
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To: LomanBill

The only nun in the school my daughter used to attend was the PE teacher!


47 posted on 04/12/2008 10:17:45 AM PDT by keepitreal
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To: StarFan; stanz; firebrand; ELS; Coleus; Dutchy; Salvation; NYer; Clemenza
Sad. I only attended a Catholic school for 3 years (6th through 8th grade), but - although it was tough - it was the best education experience I've ever had. Returning to a public high school (in the 1970s) was a major culture shock... stuff went on there that the nuns would never tolerate...
48 posted on 04/12/2008 10:21:50 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obama supporters: Drink the Kool-Aid? Yes we can!)
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To: keepitreal

It’s unfortunate that Emperor Constantine’s institution of hierarchical syncretists has traditionally chosen to deal with sexually dysfunctional individuals by recruiting them into the clergy.

Hopefully your daughter’s PE teacher was not one of the afflicted.


49 posted on 04/12/2008 10:25:06 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: MediaMole
"The teachers in some of the less successful Catholic schools were making less than half and the quality of the faculty suffered."

A BIG part of the problem is the insistence on "certified" teachers (aka graduates of "colleges of education". My wife and I are both Catholics (her cradle, me convert last year) and PhD chemists, and are due to retire soon. We would LOVE to teach at a Catholic school, probably just for benefits (health insurance). We could certainly handle chemistry and general science, and with a little mentoring, physics and math. But neither of us is "certified" (of course, if we taught at university, we WOULD be qualfied to "teach the teachers").

I'm sure we're not the only ones out there.

50 posted on 04/12/2008 10:30:01 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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