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To: wideawake
You seem to have mistaken the sovereignty of a free nation for the sovereignty of a police state.

Now this is simply drifting off into absolute absurdity, wideawake. Neither Mexico nor Canada (simply to take the two most obvious and geographically pertinent examples) allow U.S. citizens to enter said nations at will -- flagrantly flaunting their own legally established immigration procedures, mind -- and then to stay, indefinitely, in direct violation of their sovereign laws. Plainly, neither of these are [*kaff*kaff*] "police states"; neither then, demonstrably, is the U.S., in doing precisely the same.

In all candor, FRiend -- no needling or sarcasm intended (honest) -- I'd recommend stepping back from the keyboard for, say, half an hour or so, and re-thinking this particular line of argument. It's a non-starter. ;)

60 posted on 04/11/2008 11:58:10 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (McCain "conservatives" = hardcore liberals who nonetheless appreciate the occasional tax cut.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Neither Mexico nor Canada (simply to take the two most obvious and geographically pertinent examples) allow U.S. citizens to enter said nations at will

Yes they do.

All I need is a valid US passport to visit Canada or Mexico at any time I want. I can apply for a job in either country and receive a work visa - and eventually a residency document - in either country. The employment part is more difficult in Mexico depending on what job you're trying to get, but if a professional firm in Mexico City wanted to interview me for a position, I could be in their offices tomorrow, no problem.

Border controls are for keeping out criminals, the insane, the communicably diseased and people whose presence alerts suspicion.

It isn't for keeping out normal people who want to visit or work.

61 posted on 04/11/2008 12:05:19 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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