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Petraeus Points to War With Iran
Townhall.com ^ | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 04/11/2008 6:24:55 AM PDT by StatenIsland

The neocons may yet get their war on Iran.

Ever since President Nouri al-Maliki ordered the attacks in Basra on the Mahdi Army, Gen. David Petraeus has been laying the predicate for U.S. air strikes on Iran and a wider war in the Middle East.

Iran, Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee, has "fueled the recent violence in a particularly damaging way through its lethal support of the special groups."

These "special groups" are "funded, trained, armed and directed by Iran's Quds Force with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq's seat of government (the Green Zone) ... causing loss of innocent life and fear in the capital."

Is the Iranian government aware of this -- and behind it?

"President Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders" promised to end their "support for the special groups," said the general, but the "nefarious activities of the Quds force have continued."

Are Iranians then murdering Americans, asked Joe Lieberman:

"Is it fair to say that the Iranian-backed special groups in Iraq are responsible for the murder of hundreds of American soldiers and thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians?"

"It certainly is. ... That is correct," said Petraeus.

The following day, Petraeus told the House Armed Services Committee, "Unchecked, the 'special groups' pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq."

Translation: The United States is now fighting the proxies of Iran for the future of Iraq.

The general's testimony is forcing Bush's hand, for consider the question it logically raises: If the Quds Force and Hezbollah, both designated as terrorist organizations, are arming, training and directing "special groups" to "murder" Americans, and rocket and mortar the Green Zone to kill our diplomats, and they now represent the No. 1 threat to a free Iraq, why has Bush failed to neutralize these base camps of terror and aggression?

Hence, be not surprised if President Bush appears before the TV cameras, one day soon, to declare:

"My commanding general in Iraq, David Petraeus, has told me that Iran, with the knowledge of President Ahmadinejad, has become a privileged sanctuary for two terrorist organizations -- Hezbollah and the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard -- to train, arm and direct terrorist attacks on U.S. and coalition forces, despite repeated promises to halt this murderous practice.

"I have therefore directed U.S. air and naval forces to begin air strikes on these base camps of terror. Our attacks will continue until the Iranian attacks cease."

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1 posted on 04/11/2008 6:24:56 AM PDT by StatenIsland
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To: StatenIsland

> The neocons may yet get their war on Iran.

Yes please!


2 posted on 04/11/2008 6:26:47 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
The neocons may yet get their war on Iran.

After the liberalcomms delay while the Iranians develop nukes.

3 posted on 04/11/2008 6:30:21 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ConservaTexan

There’s a minor matter of 444 days that has yet to be addressed. Some folk have forgotten. I haven’t.


4 posted on 04/11/2008 6:32:12 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: StatenIsland

What are the other options? Allow the attacks to continue? Have the UN suffocate Iran with resolutions? Surrender Iraq to Iran? Have Nobama and Hitlery wet their pants? Ask Olbermann, Matthews, Rather, etc. what we should do?


5 posted on 04/11/2008 6:33:11 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: StatenIsland
I just watched the Hellfire strike on insurgent scum in Sadr City, on CNN here.

The black, weird, whiny guy (forget his name) was all atwitter; after it was done he said "Wow, give me a minute here Barbara" as if he were overwhelmed by the image.

I raised my lemonade in salute!
6 posted on 04/11/2008 6:34:27 AM PDT by tongue-tied (Hey Taliban! Bite me, you will not win.)
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To: StatenIsland

I would not say he’s laying the predicate for a war with Iran. He’s just telling the facts.

Contrary to Buchanan’s way of thinking, this kind of talk is useful if for no other reason than to keep the Iranian’s guessing as to what we’ll do next.


7 posted on 04/11/2008 6:35:29 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: StatenIsland
F you Buchanan, you are the most nonconstructive man on the planet, just a nag and a MSM whore.
8 posted on 04/11/2008 6:36:04 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: StatenIsland

Bush’s stock would go up with me if that were to occur. Yes, I am a neocon and no I don’t like war but seriously, something needs to be done here. My biggest problem with the Iraq war is the rules of engagement and the hand tying of our troops. Then them fight and win with over whelming force.


9 posted on 04/11/2008 6:36:14 AM PDT by dubie
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Don’t forget that Imanutjob was involved in that ordeal.


10 posted on 04/11/2008 6:36:23 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Eurale

April 11, 2008
The Holocaust Declaration
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON — On Tuesday, Iran announced it was installing 6,000 more centrifuges — they produce enriched uranium, the key ingredient of a nuclear weapon — in addition to the 3,000 already operating. The world yawned.

It is time to admit the truth: The Bush administration’s attempt to halt Iran’s nuclear program has failed. Utterly. The latest round of U.N. Security Council sanctions, which took a year to achieve, is comically weak. It represents the end of the sanctions road.

The president is going to hand over to his successor an Iran on the verge of going nuclear. This will deeply destabilize the Middle East, threaten the moderate Arabs with Iranian hegemony and leave Israel on hair-trigger alert.

This failure can, however, be mitigated. Since there will apparently be no disarming of Iran by pre-emption or by sanctions, we shall have to rely on deterrence to prevent the mullahs, some of whom are apocalyptic and messianic, from using nuclear weapons.

During the Cold War, we prevented an attack not only on the U.S. but also on America’s allies by extending the American nuclear umbrella — i.e., declaring that any attack on our allies would be considered an attack on the United States.

Such a threat is never 100 percent credible. Nonetheless, it made the Soviets think twice about attacking our European allies. It kept the peace.

We should do the same to keep nuclear peace in the Middle East. It would be infinitely less dangerous (and therefore more credible) than Cold War deterrence because there will be no threat from Iran of the annihilation of the United States. Iran, unlike the Soviet Union, would have a relatively tiny arsenal incapable of reaching the U.S.

How to create deterrence? The way John Kennedy did during the Cuban missile crisis. President Bush should issue the following declaration, adopting Kennedy’s language while changing the names of the miscreants:

It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear attack upon Israel by Iran, or originating in Iran, as an attack by Iran on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon Iran.

This should be followed with a simple explanation: “As a beacon of tolerance and as leader of the free world, the United States will not permit a second Holocaust to be perpetrated upon the Jewish people.”

This policy — the Holocaust Declaration — would establish a firm benchmark that would outlive this administration. Every future president — and every serious presidential candidate — would have to publicly state whether or not he supports the Holocaust Declaration.

It is an important question to ask because it will not be uncontroversial. It will be argued that the Holocaust Declaration is either redundant or, at the other extreme, provocative.

Redundant, it will be said, because Israel could retaliate on its own. The problem is that Israel is a very small country with a small nuclear arsenal that could be destroyed in a first strike. During the Cold War, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. created vast and invulnerable submarine fleets to ensure a retaliatory strike and, thus, deterrence. The invulnerability and unimaginably massive size of this American nuclear arsenal would make a U.S. deterrent far more potent and reliable than any Israeli facsimile — and thus far more likely to keep the peace.

Would such a declaration be provocative? On the contrary. Deterrence is the least provocative of all policies. That is why it is the favored alternative of those who oppose a pre-emptive attack on Iran. What the Holocaust Declaration does is turn deterrence from a slogan into a policy.

It is, of course, hardly certain that deterrence would work on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other jihadists. But deterrence would encourage rational Iranian actors, of whom there are many, to restrain or even depose leaders like Ahmadinejad who might sacrifice Iran’s existence as a nation in order to vindicate their divine obligation to exterminate the “filthy bacteria” of the Jewish state, “this disgraceful stain (on) the Islamic world.”

For the first time since the time of Jesus, Israel is the home of the world’s largest Jewish community. An implacable enemy has openly declared genocidal intentions against it — in clear violation of the U.N. charter — and is pursuing the means to carry out that intent. The world does nothing. Some, like the Russians, are literally providing fuel for the fire.

For those who believe that America stands for something in the world — that the nation that has liberated more peoples than any other has even the most minimal moral vocation — there can be no more pressing cause than preventing the nuclear annihilation of an allied democracy, the last refuge and hope of an ancient people openly threatened with the final Final Solution.

(at least Krauthammer has an idea)


11 posted on 04/11/2008 6:40:26 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: StatenIsland
FASTER PLEASE!!!!!!
12 posted on 04/11/2008 6:41:48 AM PDT by steel_resolve (I stand with the Tibetans.)
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To: StatenIsland

pat buchanan is a moron..........


13 posted on 04/11/2008 6:47:34 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Screw McPain....J. Fred Muggs for POTUS)
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To: roses of sharon

I like you.....and I grow rose of sharon’s all over the yard....


14 posted on 04/11/2008 6:48:34 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Screw McPain....J. Fred Muggs for POTUS)
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To: joe fonebone

Beautiful! Here in Michigan, mine are few and far between, but I try.


15 posted on 04/11/2008 6:53:25 AM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: StatenIsland
“Der' Joo's... alvays der' Joo's!”


16 posted on 04/11/2008 6:54:51 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: StatenIsland
Those who appease are actually feeding and emboldening the enemy and threat, Iran.

The problem Iran will not go away. Talking will not fix it. The issue has been ongoing since the Ayatollah assumed power. Their actions speak for themselves: Hostages, Lebanon, mining the Gulf, creating Hezbollah, fighting us in Iraq, the war with Israel fought through proxy, assassinations of dissidents in the West.......... The Iranian Islamic revolution and what that means is well spelled out. It has been for years; it's not a secret nor is it some loose interpretation by a few within Iran or a conspiring radical interpretation of what the means by those in the West. The regime in Iran is the enemy, it is that simple. They have declared themselves the enemy of the West, Christians, and the US whom they see as the leader of the pact.

All the answers we hear in the media and by those like Obama are no answers at all. They are selling us feel good nonsense, which is so elementally flawed and simplistic that it's an insult to the rational mind. Obama tells us “He's going to sit down and talk with Iran.” Right- He'll have as much success as the Germans and others who have talked to them. They too went there with the INTENT to be lied too and be appeased, and still they left empty handed. At least those appeasers don't pretend to have the answers anymore, they have just become quiet, sitting on the sideline.

What will waiting bring us? More attacks in Iraq, more support of radical groups fighting Israel. If we wait long enough we'll even have the opportunity to wake up one day with a nuclear Iran, what a great prospect! When people keep doing the same thing over and over but expect different outcomes, some would say they are nuts.

17 posted on 04/11/2008 7:00:49 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: StatenIsland
No, it is not Iran that wants a war with the United States. It is the United States that has reasons to want a short, sharp war with Iran.

Not accurate. Iran is already at war with the United States, through its various proxies and agents. What it doesn't want is to get busted for it. It doesn't want its war, which really began in 1979, to get taken by us to the next level before Iran is ready.

I suppose Pat is trying to buy time for Iran. For whatever reason.

18 posted on 04/11/2008 7:04:20 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: roses of sharon

they grow like hotcakes here in my yard....hell, i gotta mow ‘em down cuz they grow out into the grass...got ‘em lining the front of my yard, and the back fence...can’t stop ‘em


19 posted on 04/11/2008 7:13:47 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Screw McPain....J. Fred Muggs for POTUS)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Some folk have forgotten. I haven’t.

Neither have I!

20 posted on 04/11/2008 7:16:36 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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