Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Gargantua
You are a poor representative of evolution if the best you can do is quote dead guys.


But since you brought it up, where is the fossil-record of the hundreds-of-millions of years of "evolving" eyes? Evolution posits that it took 300-450-million years for eyes to evolve.

Where is the 200-300-million year long fossil record of "partially evolved" eyes?

Creationist claim CB301: The eye is too complex to have evolved.

Creationist claim CB921.1: What use is half an eye?

47 posted on 04/08/2008 7:18:29 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies ]


To: Coyoteman
'Darwin chip' brings evolution into the classroom

10:58 08 April 2008
NewScientist.com news service
Ewen Callaway

A new "Darwin chip" could make evolution as easy as pressing play.

Researchers have created an automated device that evolves a biological molecule on a chip filled with hundreds of miniature chambers.

The molecule, which stitches together strands of RNA, became 90 times more efficient after just 70 hours of evolution.

"It's survival of the fittest," says Brian Paegel, a biochemist at the Scripps Research Institute, in La Jolla, California, who led the study with colleague Gerald Joyce.

The experiment could be used in the future to evolve molecules – or even cells – to sense environmental pollutants, Paegel says.

Dispelling doubts

And by demonstrating natural selection in real-time, the device could also help dispel doubts over evolution in the classroom and beyond, says Joyce. "There's a whole bunch of people who think evolution is only theory, including some former presidential candidates."

While Darwin used natural selection to explain differences between species, his principles also work at the level of molecules.

RNA is usually used to create proteins from genes. But some kinds of RNA can perform tasks similar to protein enzymes. Paegel's team used just such an RNA molecule, or ligase, in their work.

In the process, the ligase sews another strand of RNA to itself and is then duplicated by a pair of proteins.

Because of occasional errors in copying, the new ligase molecule might work differently from its predecessor – sometimes better, and sometimes worse. Paegel's team wanted to see if they could evolve a better ligase by natural selection.

Evolving ability

To do this, they took a form of ligase that is not very good at recognising RNA molecules, and dumped it in a pool of RNA. After letting it duplicate for a while, the researchers gradually reduced the number of RNA molecules in the pool, meaning that only the more efficient copies of the ligase could survive.

All the reactions occurred in a miniature chamber on the "evolution chip". After reaching a specified level of efficiency, a miniature pump automatically sucked up a small amount of the contents and plopped it into a new chamber. This started another round of selection.

After 70 hours and billions of duplications, Paegel's team stopped the reaction and analysed the last few batches. The ligase molecules they pulled out were able to find and stitch RNA molecules 90 times more efficiently than the ligase the team started with.

'Tasty potato'

Other researchers have created similar evolution machines, but few as fast and simple as the automated chip. "It's a big technical advance,” says Jack Szostak, a biochemist at Harvard University. Other labs are likely to follow, he says. "It doesn't look that difficult to do."

The device might be able to evolve better sensors to detect environmental pollutants such as lead, Paegal says. Just as his team reduced the number of RNA molecules in the reaction to select for a better ligase, cutting the level of lead would select an improved lead sensor.

Paegel also hopes to use the Darwin chip to make molecules with new chemical properties, not just improved editions of old molecules.

"We took a potato and made a really tasty potato," says Pagael. "But we would really like to discover broccoli – something completely different."

Journal reference: PLoS Biology (DOI: 10.1371/journal.pbio.0060085)

51 posted on 04/08/2008 7:40:03 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies ]

To: Coyoteman
In other words, you have no answer to the simple question.

Just like the rest of the Evo crowd, you make a few denigrating remarks about Christians and Creationists, and act as though that covers the blatant ignorance of your indefensible beliefs and their exploded Theory.

It does not.

You claim not only the intellectual high-ground, but also that your faith-based Theory is correct, but when assailed by someone with only a high-school education (me), the best you can do is post a picture of a Bible and two non-sequiturs which don't even address my posting;

I said nothing at all about the complexity of the eyeball. You genius. Do you really even fool yourself with this crap?

I rather referred to the inextricability of the many interdependent systems all of which are needed for the eye to function.

The distinction is not really all that subtle, yet you, who claim the intellectual high-ground can't even see that, so blinded are you by your faith in Darwin's Sour Grapes Mtyth.

You may fool yourself, but you don't fool me. Answer my questions utilizing the brilliance you feign, or admit your fraud, one or the other,

You Evo hucksters have gotten off easy for too long, spreading your lies and deceiving all who don't know any better than to be impressed by your hollow claims of intelligence.

Nothing but the spawn of chimps doing tricks.

;-)

58 posted on 04/09/2008 5:33:08 AM PDT by Gargantua
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson