"Serbs? Personally, I prefer Russians for liver. The vodka marinade, you know."
Posted on 04/03/2008 4:20:46 AM PDT by Ravnagora
Serbs just can't stop lying, ever.
If Dubrovnik was never Croatian, why do the Croatian settlers from Dubrovnik in Kosovo (since expelled) call themselves Croatians?
The “Siege” of Dubrovnik was a hoax. Just one small part of the vast propaganda campaign against the Serbs. I could give you pages and pages of “references” (truthful ones) but it would be a waste of time.
“Ultra-Nationalist” is one of the repetitious talking points. It’ll give you away every time.
Kudos to you Bokababe. This man know exactly what he is talking about. I know that for a fact.
Thank you for posting this. It won’t matter to some - but others might read it and be struck by the difference between propaganda and truth.
You're pouring gasoline on the fire, Dio.
No it wasn't. Dubrovnik was surrounded on three sides by JNA forces from Montenegro, from the hinterland in Trebinje, and to the northwest towards Neum and Ploce.
It was the classic definition of a siege.
Dubrovnik had only 600 armed defenders, which of course put paid to the Serbian propaganda that "30,000 Ustashas in Dubrovnik are about to invade Montenegro".
Let a Muslim get a hangnail though...
Diocletian,
I’ll be real honest with you. I don’t know if you’ve ever actually been to Croatia, but I know that it is a lovely place and was even more lovely before the war. Whenever people talk of Croatia as a “land”, they always mention the beauty of it.
It really is too bad that things happened as they did and Yugoslavia was dismembered as it was with so much bad blood. I know that the natives of all the ethnicities there really enjoyed visiting all the different republics and taking their “holidays” wherever they chose. Regardless of what one might feel about “Yugoslavia” as a whole, it was a beautiful country, with each of the different ethnic tribes providing their own special cultural gifts.
I truly regret not having visited Kosovo when I was there. For me, Kosovo will always be that special sacred heart and soul of the Serbian people regardless of what happens.
What has happened over there is a tragedy for everyone who called Yugoslavia home, and it makes me sad.
Now listen: you guys got a rough deal over Kosovo, I've said that all along and continue to say that. But when lying s**tbags like Joan start with their crap about Croatia and Croatians, I'm not gonna let it stand. A few of you Serbs here are quite rational and that's good. You can be a Serbian patriot without lying or engaging in propaganda. Some of you guys do that and that's good.
Others however resort to the same old lies and fabrications, so that's when I step in to counter it.
Thanks for your response, Diocletian. I know that you’re always challenging my stuff about Mihailovich and his chetniks. You won’t change my mind nor I yours about that. I know you’ve issued “challenges” to “us” before to counter your arguments, and I could, but this all gets very exhausting and frustrating sometimes and I have to just “drop it” when I see that it’ll just go nowhere productive. You’re a passionate person and so are others. I know I am. So we’ll always be at odds about “Yugoslavian” (Boy, when was the last time you heard THAT term!?) issues and somebody has to walk away at some point. I hope you don’t take that as “cowardice” or not being able to counter your arguments.
I don’t think you’re being fair to Joan at all. I have to be honest again and admit that I have to agree with her arguments because I feel the same way she does and her interpretation is spot on from my point of view - she just is able to express herself better than I am !
I’m not in love with the Croatians, and I know that the feeling is mutual. I make my feelings pretty clear, but I do hope people here don’t take what I spout personally. I welcome your challenges, Diocletian. It means you’re at least paying attention to what I’m sharing. People should defend their own. Ultimately, regardless of what world power is helping you, you have to take care of each other because the political winds can turn on a dime.
Since you were born in Croatia and have been there many times I would like to ask you something:
From your real sense of things - not from what you read or heard, but what you actually FELT in the air among the people, before all this mess began in the early 1990’s did the people of Yugoslavia truly get along in the real sense of the word, or were resentments bubbling underneath the surface just waiting for the right moment to manifest themselves through war?
Depends on whom you ask and where they're from.
The resentment was always always bubbling underneath the surface, but the regime managed to keep a lid on it. Any democratic expression would have seen violence result in one way or another since issues from the First Yugoslavia and from WW2 were never fully resolved, but rather just papered over. Most Croatians had enough with the second Yugoslavia by 1971 when MASPOK was crushed by Tito. Most Serbs felt cheated by the second Yugoslavia and that was expressed in the SANU document. The Muslims were quite happy with the second YU, as were the Slovenes until Milosevic began his push for centralization. The Slovene-Serb coalition held the first YU together, and played a large part in keeping the second one together.
Now, Yugoslav consciousness reached a peak in the 60s and early 70s, but Croatians of that orientation began to move away from it with MASPOK's end. Serbs had a large Yugoslav element, but at the same time Serb nationalists still had some identification with the "Yugoslavia" notion where Croatian nationalists never had.
I don’t think you’re being fair to Joan at all.
According to Joan, Serbs have never committed massacres. According to Joan, Croatians are bloodthirsty subhumans. According to Joan, Tito was pro-Ustasha.
Only a complete and total idiot can agree with these three positions.
see post 50.
Have you ever read comments from such individuals as: Ronly Bonly Jones, LenS, or JasonC, in the context of Serbs.
The latter two individuals continue to make initial inflammatory statements and when called on those statements remain silent and never back them up. Have you ever noticed that?
This is how frustration builds over time.
I hope this helps.
"Serbs? Personally, I prefer Russians for liver. The vodka marinade, you know."
Oh look, an Ustashe pot trying to call a kettle black.
Hey, I can sympathize with you Serbs and how you're being demonized in the western press...the same thing happened to us for 50 years. Do you understand what we were talking about now?
Utter horsecrap.
Great stuff.
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