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Faulty rules blamed for gun's firing (airline pilot's accidental discharge)
Washington Times ^
| March 28, 2008
| Audrey Hudson
Posted on 03/28/2008 12:28:59 PM PDT by neverdem
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:28:59 PM PDT
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
...The pilot has to take his gun off and lock it up before he leaves the cockpit, so he was trying to secure the gun in preparation for landing, .. Huh? preparation for landing includes leaving the cockpit..I never knew that.
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:31:50 PM PDT
by
SGCOS
(Life's a bitch, we don't need to elect one.)
To: neverdem
They never blame the operator of the firearm. It’s always the firearm or some BS circumstance.
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:32:53 PM PDT
by
wastedyears
(The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
To: neverdem
"The pilot has to take his gun off and lock it up before he leaves the cockpit, so he was trying to secure the gun in preparation for landing, while he was trying to fly the airplane, too," said David Mackett, president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance. Pilot error. The pilot has no business "leaving the cockpit" while he's trying to fly the plane
The correct sequence is (1) land the plane, (2) when the plane has taxied and come to a complete stop, secure the firearm, (3) exit the cockpit
To: neverdem
this was suggested by a few on the original thread as the cause
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:33:34 PM PDT
by
RDTF
(my worst nightmare is being on jury duty sequestered with 11 liberals)
To: neverdem
Here's a picture of the holster / lock system they use. (for real)
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:33:48 PM PDT
by
Hazcat
(We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
To: neverdem
the padlock that is required to be inserted into the holster pulled the trigger and caused the gun to discharge What the.....? What kind of cockamamied system is that?
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:33:49 PM PDT
by
LouAvul
To: neverdem
"It's a completely unsafe system unless it's used in a static environment in a bedroom with good light. But to try to balance a gun on your lap and padlock it while flying an airplane 300 miles an hour, sometimes in the dark, is not secure," Mr. Mackett said.... I'm glad there's an explanation. I was afraid this was a Barney Fife incident. Still, I'm sure the guy is embarrassed
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:35:07 PM PDT
by
colorado tanker
(Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
To: neverdem
Sorry, boys, but it’s definately “pilot error” (brain fart) here. There shouldn’t have been a round chambered in the first place. If there’s a round chambered, nothing goes inside the trigger guard but your trigger finger.
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:35:20 PM PDT
by
PowderMonkey
(Will Work for Ammo)
To: PowderMonkey
Sorry, boys, but its definately pilot error (brain fart) here. There shouldnt have been a round chambered in the first place. If theres a round chambered, nothing goes inside the trigger guard but your trigger finger. It's the TSA rules.
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:36:56 PM PDT
by
Hazcat
(We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
To: neverdem
Sounds like pretty extreme negligence on the part of the pilot rather than a problem with faulty rules.
He was in too much of a hurry to take the time to handle his gun in a responsible manner appears to be his excuse.
It sounds like he should lose his ability to carry a gun on a plane for a while and go through some basic gun handling classes where simple safety procedures are drilled into him over and over again.
An this should be his only warning. Next time, fire him.
To: Hazcat
The pilot obviously did a major no-no at some point, but that contraption is an ND just waiting to happen.
L
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:38:13 PM PDT
by
Lurker
(Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
To: neverdem
Rather than carry the weapon on their person at all times, pilots must lock it up before opening the cockpit door, meaning pilots handle the gun as many as 10 times per flight, the association estimates. So install a lockbox in the cockpit. The gun stays in the lockbox. The lockbox door gets locked when the pilot leaves the cockpit without the pilot touching the gun
I would be very hesitant to have the pilot walk into the passenger cabin with a sidearm, unless he's been extensively trained in weapons retention and disarming techniques, with periodic refresher training
To: Hazcat
A chambered round is not a TSA rule
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:38:43 PM PDT
by
PowderMonkey
(Will Work for Ammo)
To: LouAvul
What the.....? What kind of cockamamied system is that?The one that says to storm the cockpit on final approach, evidentially. Seems to me that if a flight crew member is going to open the cockpit door for whatever reason, instead of locking up the gun the remaining crew member should be holding it pointed at the door.
This is the same idiocy that launched TSA in all its glory.
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:39:24 PM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
(Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
To: Eaker
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:39:35 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: PapaBear3625
when the plane has taxied and come to a complete stop, secure the firearmThat sounds right. Unless there are yet more rules preventing it.
The idea of a pilot stowing a handgun while handling a landing is not at all comforting.
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:40:25 PM PDT
by
decimon
To: Hazcat
That is the most insanely badly engineered thing I’ve ever seen. A padlock THROUGH THE TRIGGER GUARD? Yes, if you get the padlock BEHIND the trigger, it will stop it from firing, but it’s far to easy to hit the trigger
To: PowderMonkey
Figured it was an auto.
Semi-autos require an added level of thought and caution when handling.
People forget that a round was chambered. Especially, if it was chambered a couple of days before, at the range, etc.
Betting that accidents like this one happen a lot — remembering the video of police officer showing his gun to a grade school class when it discharged.
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:44:27 PM PDT
by
dhs12345
To: PowderMonkey
A chambered round is not a TSA rule So you want him fooling around with it even more and thereby INCREASING the likely hood of an ND?
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posted on
03/28/2008 12:44:42 PM PDT
by
Hazcat
(We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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