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Police Opting for More Firepower to Battle Better-Armed Criminals
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,340748,00.html ^ | 03/23/08

Posted on 03/23/2008 12:13:02 PM PDT by Sammy67

Sunday, March 23, 2008

The 30-year-old mother of three jumped from her disabled SUV following a chase, holding a gun to her head to keep police back. Officers fired a stun gun but the nonlethal weapon was foiled by her heavy coat.

When she pointed her handgun at the two nearest deputies, officers switched to assault rifles, hitting Sarah Marie Stanfield of Boise eight times with bullets designed to break apart on impact to increase internal damage. She died last fall of multiple gunshot wounds.

Some jurisdictions across the U.S. have been arming rank-and-file officers with high-powered assault rifles for a decade or more. But law enforcement officials say that trend has accelerated in the last year because of greater numbers of shootouts, standoffs in which police were outgunned, rising officer deaths and mass shootings of civilians by heavily armed gunmen.

"If you get into a fire fight, you want to be

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Heavily Armed Gunman?
1 posted on 03/23/2008 12:13:03 PM PDT by Sammy67
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And so it escalates and so more people will die on both sides.

Heaven forbid we should look to any societal causes of crime.


2 posted on 03/23/2008 12:14:40 PM PDT by driftdiver
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“When she pointed her handgun at the two nearest deputies, officers switched to assault rifles, hitting Sarah Marie Stanfield of Boise eight times with bullets designed to break apart on impact to increase internal damage.”

Um... sounds like they were using frangible rounds - which break apart on impact to avoid going through WALLS and killing innocent people if you miss.

Idiot reporters.

As for getting shot by the police?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8


3 posted on 03/23/2008 12:15:42 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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...with bullets designed to break apart on impact to increase internal damage.

No. They're designed to break apart rather then punching through to hit innocent bystanders!

4 posted on 03/23/2008 12:17:37 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Sammy67
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5 posted on 03/23/2008 12:17:45 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: driftdiver

I wonder if someone or something is influencing the dramatic increase in criminal gangs and civil unrest thats spreading across the country?


6 posted on 03/23/2008 12:18:39 PM PDT by Sammy67
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Switched to assault rifles? Ah, it’s my guess they had them at the ready and used them when the lives of the officers were on the line. This is what they should have done.

Point a weapon at an officer and you put your life in jeopardy.

There are going to be instances where I will not side with law enforcement, but this sure isn’t one of them.

This is an instance where the civilian escalated the situation to the point of causing their own death.


7 posted on 03/23/2008 12:23:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some think McCain should pick his No 2 now. I thought the nominee was No 2. And that No 1s me off!)
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To: Sammy67
I wonder if someone or something is influencing the dramatic increase in criminal gangs and civil unrest thats spreading across the country?

Why Sammy, what ever could cause such an occurrence in these formerly peacable United States?

8 posted on 03/23/2008 12:24:58 PM PDT by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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The 30-year-old mother of three jumped from her disabled SUV following a chase, holding a gun to her head to keep police back.


9 posted on 03/23/2008 12:26:08 PM PDT by Uncledave
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I wouldn’t have described her as a civilian. Civilian’s are non-legitimate targets, she was a criminal....


10 posted on 03/23/2008 12:26:26 PM PDT by thundrey
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holding a gun to her head to keep police back

Do what she say!

11 posted on 03/23/2008 12:26:28 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Uncledave

20 seconds!


12 posted on 03/23/2008 12:26:55 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: driftdiver

such as?


13 posted on 03/23/2008 12:30:32 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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To: driftdiver
And so it escalates and so more people will die on both sides.

Heaven forbid we should look to any societal causes of crime.

You look at those "societal causes" if you think you helped cause criminals to be criminals. I have looked, and have come to the conclusion that I have not done a single thing to make a single punk into a viscous criminal gunman. So, I'll take my chances with my gun against that kind -- like I have had to do three different times in civilian life.

No escalation, no shoot out, noone hurt.

You play at solving society's viscous-punk problem all you want -- I'll stick with taking care of me and mine the proven workable way.

14 posted on 03/23/2008 12:31:45 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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” You look at those “societal causes” if you think you helped cause criminals to be criminals. I have looked, and have come to the conclusion that I have not done a single thing to make a single punk into a viscous criminal gunman.”

Thats an idiotic response.


15 posted on 03/23/2008 12:33:21 PM PDT by driftdiver
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such as?

The proliferation of good 5h!t subject to forfeiture?

16 posted on 03/23/2008 12:34:06 PM PDT by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: driftdiver

Such as?


17 posted on 03/23/2008 12:37:53 PM PDT by sport
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To: thundrey

I’m not happy with the term civilian either. I don’t consider someone to be a criminal until they have been convicted of something. And who knows, she may have been previously.

I like the term perp here, and she was exhibiting criminal behavior to be sure.

Officers are also civilians. The public and the officers need to keep this in mind.


18 posted on 03/23/2008 12:37:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some think McCain should pick his No 2 now. I thought the nominee was No 2. And that No 1s me off!)
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do i even respond? so cops do what they do in order to confiscate stuff like drugs and guns? only to destroy them?


19 posted on 03/23/2008 12:38:15 PM PDT by thefactor (the innocent shall not suffer nor the guilty go free...)
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Such as? Well poverty doesn’t cause crime for one. Lack of basic education has been shown to have an effect. Lack of morals and teaching of the same is, IMO, the largest factor. The breakdown of the family is probably right up there and perhaps associated with the lack of morals.

Drugs certainly lead to a lot of crime but the war on drugs sure hasn’t solved the problem. Its only resulted in America having the largest % of its population in prison of any modern country. Around 51% of people in federal prison are there because of drug convictions.


20 posted on 03/23/2008 12:39:44 PM PDT by driftdiver
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