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It's your choice (Euthanasia in Australia)
Australia Herald Sun ^ | 3/23/08 | Suellen Hinde

Posted on 03/22/2008 12:08:18 PM PDT by wagglebee

PATIENTS are being given the opportunity to decide whether they want to die under a program being rolled out through Victorian hospitals.

The Respecting Patients' Choices program allows patients in the early stages of chronic or terminal illness to make a formal written statement declaring their desire to refuse life-saving treatment in hospitals.

Its pioneers say it will save families from the emotional anguish of having to make such decisions on behalf of their loved ones.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cultureofdisrespect; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
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But the Australian Medical Association is concerned the Victorian program has too many "legally grey" areas.

That's where the culture of death ALWAYS starts.

1 posted on 03/22/2008 12:08:19 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 03/22/2008 12:09:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 03/22/2008 12:09:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I read the entire (short) article at the source. Refusing treatment is not euthanasia (and I do not think you are saying that it is). It is anyone’s right to accept or refuse treatment (so long as they are an adult). The article did note some claim there are “grey areas” that, impliedly, border on euthanasia, but then did not list such. A clear, written directive refusing certain types of treatment near the end of one’s life is accepted in the US and is not euthanasia, unless I misunderstand what you are saying.

The article’s lacks of specifics is frustrating.


4 posted on 03/22/2008 12:23:19 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: wagglebee
That's where the culture of death ALWAYS starts.

What objection do people have against a Culture of Respect, where we focus on exactly what the patient wants--thereby slamming the door on anyone who wishes to disrespect the patient's rights by involuntary euthanasia?

Why is the Culture of DisrespectTM (the "we know better than you" crowd) so afraid of patients controlling their own destinies? Why the ongoing nanny-statist push of "you have to live, whether you want to or not" in place of "we respect you as an individual and we won't let anyone railroad you into death or life against your will"?

5 posted on 03/22/2008 12:24:26 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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Typical misdirection. Trying to raise the spectre of involuntary euthanasia as a way to take away people’s rights.


6 posted on 03/22/2008 12:25:44 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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What objection do people have against a Culture of Respect, where we focus on exactly what the patient wants--thereby slamming the door on anyone who wishes to disrespect the patient's rights by involuntary euthanasia?

Spoken like a true death culter, might I point out that in Australia, as in the United States, there is no "right" to euthanasia.

7 posted on 03/22/2008 12:33:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Typical misdirection. Trying to raise the spectre of involuntary euthanasia as a way to take away people’s rights.

But don't YOU think that euthanasia should be a "right"?

8 posted on 03/22/2008 12:34:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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>Spoken like a true death culter...

If a person wants
to live, say, with chronic pain,
that is their choice but

it's bizarre that folks
want to say, "You must suffer!"
to people like that.

I think that adults
should have the right to painless
death if they choose death.

9 posted on 03/22/2008 12:39:47 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: wagglebee

Given what’s in the article, I see nhothi9ng at all wrong. In fact, I think you need to explain why you claim to be a conservative and yet apparently want to take away a person’s choice about whether or not extreme measures should be taken. I see NO euthanasia here.


10 posted on 03/22/2008 12:45:00 PM PDT by gracesdad
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That’s the goal.

Ever notice that when it comes to abortion, what exactly constitutes a medical emergency is always left open to broad interpretation even in such states as Germany, Italy etc? The ambiguity is by design usually in such cases. -IMHO


11 posted on 03/22/2008 12:45:47 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: gracesdad

Please reference a SINGLE post where I have opposed the right for the patient to decline extraordinary measures.


12 posted on 03/22/2008 12:49:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Is there perhaps a little cash incentive involved here?
13 posted on 03/22/2008 12:49:43 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: wagglebee
FYI: The lady who was killed by a sting ray was hospice volunteer (wonder which one).

Further, Fox news crawler reports that organ donor organizations are "getting more aggressive" because the waiting lists are getting longer. Sure, that's it...Three years ago tomorrow, I had chicken noodle soup for Easter, stayed at Hostage Woodside all day long and then quickly packed my bags to go to Orlando to meet with Legislator DAVID SIMMONS. When we got there the day after Easter, he told me "TERRI WOULD BE A MARTYR." This was even before Judge Whittemore was done I believe a and before Jesse Jackson met w/Jebediah for a little presser on CNN where Jesse proclaimed, "TERRI'S DEATH WILL SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES." CNN Wednesday after Easter.

Well, then why was she being EXECUTED????? Save her too, fools.

What does it say about a society which if you take Jesse at his work, makes any human sacrifices.

It's no different than throwing a young maiden into a volcano to appease the gods.

Sure killing Terri appeased SENATOR JIM KING (R), Hospice Hall of Famer, who wrote a law last year to be buried with his dog! POOR MUTT!

14 posted on 03/22/2008 1:04:42 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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Or is it their choice? Send Mr. Wishmaker down to Australia and with a little flim flam, people who want to live will be handed death wishes instead. A wish used to be a dream your heart made.

That was before George Felos bastardized the word "wish".

15 posted on 03/22/2008 1:06:44 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee
Spoken like a true death culter,

Nope. A death-culter would want to off a person, REGARDLESS of what that person's own rights.

A death-culter and I are absolutely opposed, as a death-culter is more like a life-at-all-costs-culter in that neither of them respect individuals. They both believe they know better than any individual how to run his life, and look at people as faceless "lives" rather than people with their own preferences, desires, and rights.

might I point out that in Australia, as in the United States, there is no "right" to euthanasia.

Actually, that's not so. The government doesn't give us our rights--they are natural, endowed by our Creator, and we possess them always, even if they are suppressed by any tyrannical government or individual.

16 posted on 03/22/2008 2:33:14 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: wagglebee

I wouldn’t quite say ‘culture of death’ about this one... this seems just like a version of the ‘living will’ that allows a person to specify what measures they would like (or would not like) taken to keep them alive in event of a severe medical emergency. Plus, a ‘living will’ of sorts would prevent cases like Terri Schiavo’s, because the doctors would actually have a statement from the patient about what they would and would not like, as opposed to only family members saying conflicting things about what the patient would have wanted.


17 posted on 03/22/2008 2:34:03 PM PDT by Hyzenthlay (I aim to misbehave.)
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Baby steps.


18 posted on 03/22/2008 2:40:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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A death-culter and I are absolutely opposed, as a death-culter is more like a life-at-all-costs-culter in that neither of them respect individuals.

Leftists will seldom identify themselves with their true agenda:
"I'm not a liberal, I'm a 'progressive.'"
"I'm not pro-abortion, I'm 'pro-choice.'"
"I'm not an anarchist, I'm a 'libertarian.'"
etc.

So, it's hardly a surprise that members of the culture of death would claim otherwise.

The government doesn't give us our rights--they are natural, endowed by our Creator, and we possess them always, even if they are suppressed by any tyrannical government or individual.

"Thou shalt not kill," pretty much nullifies any argument that God gave us a right to suicide or euthanasia. However, I do find it odd that you consider the protection of innocent life a form of "tyranny."

I also find your tagline rather odd:
"I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!"

People who push agendas like you do generally don't believe that Hell exists (regardless of any public pronouncements to the contrary).

19 posted on 03/22/2008 4:13:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gondring
A death-culter would want to off a person, REGARDLESS of what that person's own rights.

Which brings us back once again to Terri Schiavo and you.

20 posted on 03/22/2008 4:35:46 PM PDT by bjs1779
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