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Irish banks may need life-support as property prices crash
The Telegraph ^ | 3/11/2008 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 03/10/2008 9:33:06 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The Dublin government appears to be almost powerless to prevent a severe downturn.

The Irish banking system faces acute strains and may require a phase of temporary nationalisation as the property slump leads to a wave of defaults, according to a leading Irish economist.

Morgan Kelly, of University College Dublin, said the government is almost powerless to stop the downturn becoming a severe slump. "We're in a classic post-bubble recession, yet we can't do anything that a country would normally do in this situation because we're inside the eurozone," Prof Kelly said. "We can't cut interest rates, we can't devalue, and there is a lot less room for fiscal stimulus than people think. We're stuck.

"We have a domestic recession now colliding with a global recession. It is the state of the banking system that will determine how terrible this will be, and frankly that is looking very shaky."

Irish house prices fell 7pc last year. The pace of decline has accelerated so far this year. The damage is spreading to the broader economy. Unemployment jumped to an eight-year high of 5.2pc in February, from 5pc in January.

"We are going to see banks on life-support with very big bail-outs. The precedent for this is what happened in the Nordic countries in the early 1990s when they had to take over the banks. We may have to do something similar," he said.

Two of Sweden's largest banks were nationalised before being nursed back to health and refloated. The Nordic rescue is seen as a model of how to tackle a banking crisis. However, Sweden succeeded only after it left the ERM's fixed exchange system and regained control of its monetary instruments.

The Bank for International Settlements said in its latest report that there had been a surge in euro bond and note issuance in Ireland in the third quarter to $35bn (£17.4bn), up from $10bn. This is a huge sum for a country of 4.2m people.

It appears to reflect a distress move by banks to raise money for use as collateral at the European Central Bank after the credit crunch hit. "The increase in net issuance came mostly from financial institutions, whose borrowing in securities markets had largely dried up," said the BIS. Irish borrowers built up $123bn in cross-border liabilities.

Ireland has been a star performer over the past 20 years, transforming itself from a high-tax backwater in the early 1980s to a free-market tiger. However, the country is the most exposed in the EU to both the dollar and sterling blocs, leaving it more vulnerable to trade and investment effects of the soaring euro.

Prof Kelly said Ireland had lost 20pc competitiveness against its trade partners since the launch of EMU.

Eurozone rates of 2pc in the early part of this decade fuelled a credit bubble that has gravely distorted the economy. Household debt has reached 190pc of disposable income, the highest in the developed world. Bank lending rose by 30pc annually. Construction reached 15pc of national income, with 280,000 employed there,

Matthew Taylor, a credit expert at Fitch Ratings, said 27pc of all outstanding loans by late last year were to property and construction, leaving banks heavily exposed. Irish Nationwide Building Society has been downgraded from A to A-.

"If the downturn proves more severe than expected, a wider range of rating actions on Irish banks may be required," he said. For now, the problem looks "manageable".

Over 55pc of all mortgage loans are at floating rates, with several banks offering 100pc mortgages at the top of boom. Interest-only loans made up 16pc of the total borrowing in the third quarter of 2007. Anglo-Irish Bank, Allied Irish Banks, Bank of Ireland and EBS, all have a big stake in the property sector.

The establishment has pretended it's business as usual. But the mood is now changing. The Irish Independent warned this week that the country is sliding into a serious slump.

"Look at all the signs: every single one is screaming that the economy is in big, big trouble. Housing market dead, new car sales dead, consumer confidence is dead, record job losses, exporters being killed off by a strong euro, fuel prices spike, housing repossessions increase," it said.

Ireland is the only country to hold a referendum on the EU's revamped constitution, now called the Lisbon Treaty. The darkening economic picture may greatly queer the pitch.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banks; debtcrisis; ireland
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1 posted on 03/10/2008 9:33:07 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

I’ve been wondering how strong the Euro would stay with the member country economies going down the tubes and not much military so speak of.


2 posted on 03/10/2008 9:38:09 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: VeniVidiVici
"we can't do anything that a country would normally do in this situation because we're inside the eurozone," Prof Kelly said. "We can't cut interest rates, we can't devalue, and there is a lot less room for fiscal stimulus than people think. We're stuck."

Kinda like Kalifornia issuing munis based on last year's property tax revenue 'til property values go bust. Yet the state budget won't allow cuts in education, medical care or welfare. Uncle Sam, Federal Reserve, won't bail them out.

Brussels has no mechanism, central bank as last resort lender, for bailing out Ireland, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc.

Wonder what the east Europe former commie, EU wannabie, countries think of their "we do socialism The Third Way" big brothers?

yitbos

3 posted on 03/10/2008 9:50:14 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

Marc Faber suggests that the Euro may come apart. Thus, gold is a better hedge against falling dollar. Ireland appears to illustrate that problem. He also suggested Italy and Spain as examples.


4 posted on 03/10/2008 10:05:17 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: bruinbirdman; TigerLikesRooster

It’s global.


5 posted on 03/10/2008 10:07:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
We may see an interesting trend. U.S. financial crisis crashes financial system of foreign countries first. Money parked there could flee to U.S. market, where it is bad but the real calamity has not struck yet. Just about the time anybody fleeing overseas market all managed to take shelter in U.S. market, it goes down in earnest. Turning everybody in the market into a pancake.
6 posted on 03/10/2008 10:17:03 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: bruinbirdman

Ah, another victim nation of the falsely named “free trade”.


7 posted on 03/10/2008 10:19:54 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

And the USA will take much of the blame, for spreading the subprime CDO contagion worldwide. A financial Typhoid Mary.


8 posted on 03/10/2008 10:20:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
That would be a long-term damage.
9 posted on 03/10/2008 10:24:35 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: bruinbirdman

bttt


10 posted on 03/10/2008 10:25:54 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (su - | echo "All your " | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r | echo "belong to us")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just the end of the post Bretton Woods global fiat financial system....and what comes after? Anybody’s guess. The globalists will try to force a unitary global central bank, and one new fiat currency. But we could also see certain countries lead teh way back to gold backing, to encourage new investment. For sure, we live in interesting times.


11 posted on 03/10/2008 10:27:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Money parked there could flee to U.S. market, where it is bad but the real calamity has not struck yet. Just about the time anybody fleeing overseas market all managed to take shelter in U.S. market, it goes down in earnest. Turning everybody in the market into a pancake."

The "market" is risk capital. The underlying value of viable companies will remain.

Long term investors will ride these things out.

yitbos

12 posted on 03/10/2008 10:52:02 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Travis McGee
The world would be in a flux. No bloc or country can be powerful enough to shape the world order as U.S. has done so far. All of them would be busy fending off immediate domestic problems.

Some globalists may gather at a Swiss ski resort and draw up the plan of the new world order, but such a group would be as powerless as current UN.

That is, we could have a globalist nightmare. They would be no longer able to keep up the pretense of leading the entire world.

13 posted on 03/10/2008 10:54:11 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: bruinbirdman
Will take a long time, though. Not a few years. And there won't be that many who can pull this long-term invest thing.
14 posted on 03/10/2008 10:55:51 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: Travis McGee
"The globalists will try to force a unitary global central bank, and one new fiat currency."

Are the EUrotopians "mini golbalists"? They forced a unitary currency but not a "mini" central bank. And their currency is sky high. Not bad for commies, huh?

yitbos

15 posted on 03/10/2008 10:57:32 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman
Irish house prices fell 7pc last year

Fertility rate = 1.9 children born per woman.

Those poor immigrants just can't be relied upon to keep the cost of homes up when builders keep building more even when the population isn't rising that fast and nobody is tearing down old homes. Excess of supply = buyers advantage.

16 posted on 03/10/2008 11:13:39 PM PDT by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I wonder whether Eire will resurrect the punt (and Spain the peseta, and Italy the lire)??

For different reasons it might make sense for the less expensive labor markets/low tax nations to ditch the Euro
and unhitch from a possibly overvalued currency?


17 posted on 03/10/2008 11:35:09 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: bruinbirdman

Thanks for posting this article, bbm. Another recent article had the British parliament denying the populace the opportunity to vote on joining the EU under the latest unionist treaty iteration.

So members can not decouple their financial markets from the EU (as this article states) and the populace is forced (without actual democrtaic consent) to join Brussels.

Now the Irish learn the real cost of “union.”

Some good deals on Irish vacation property in a year or so.


18 posted on 03/10/2008 11:54:49 PM PDT by bajabaja
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"Now the Irish learn the real cost of “union.”"

Here's another EU dilema. Scotland has a secessionist movement. They want independence from the UK. Would the movement get more recruits if UK votes for Lesbian Treaty? Would an independent Scotland want to join EU?

yitbos

19 posted on 03/11/2008 12:03:25 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

Good article. Thanks


20 posted on 03/11/2008 2:09:41 AM PDT by cowtowney
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