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Orderly Universe: Evidence of God?
ABC News ^ | March 2, 2008 | John Allen Paulos

Posted on 03/07/2008 4:40:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Rebel_Ace

Evidence for the existence of a particular being eliminates the option of categorizing the being along with mythical phenomena such as leprechauns.


321 posted on 03/11/2008 6:27:45 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (The only way for honorable people to be liberal is to have no idea what conservatism is.)
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To: Rebel_Ace
It is only when you get someone's personal supernatural being that you begin to see fierce resistance to the same logic that tosses Leprechauns into the dust bin.

Except for a couple of things. Faith and reason.

Faith is easy, there have been no Leprechauns who have died on the cross to sow a path to the Lord for those of us in need of just that.

Reason is a bit more difficult but not so much for me. The E,M and C were not there and then they were. Supernatural? It would seem so to me.

Science tells me that the laws of physics could not have applied prior to Planck Time. Supernatural? Certainly, since the laws of physics seemingly were broken only once.

So, while Leprechauns may have existed outside of time and whipped up some E, M and C along with the laws of physics and time ex-nihlo, I accept Jesus Christ at His word and believe that God did it.

322 posted on 03/11/2008 6:44:24 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Obama, the King of Hope-a-Dope)
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To: reasonisfaith

Perhaps I misunderstood your argument, but if you were calling my arguments atheistic, I wasn’t making much of a leap.


323 posted on 03/11/2008 7:31:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: jwalsh07
Faith is easy

No. Faith is simple.

324 posted on 03/11/2008 7:45:46 PM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

[[May I suggest we both throw in the towel, rather than just irritating each other to no useful end?]]

Am i irritating you? Hmmm stranfge, I hardly irritate anyone


325 posted on 03/11/2008 9:45:28 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: CottShop
Hmmm stranfge, I hardly irritate anyone

Translation:
Hmmm stranfge [sic], I'm oblivious to anyone else's irritation.

326 posted on 03/12/2008 8:22:40 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

[[Hmmm stranfge [sic], I’m oblivious to anyone else’s irritation.]]

I was being sarcastic- I realize what I say isn’t ‘popular’ or politcally correct- Laugh a little iwll ya?


327 posted on 03/12/2008 11:57:54 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: CottShop

Ah. I thought you didn’t know...

;^P


328 posted on 03/12/2008 1:57:22 PM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

lol- nope- fully aware of my irksomeness :b


329 posted on 03/12/2008 1:58:52 PM PDT by CottShop
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and unapologetic for it too :b


330 posted on 03/12/2008 1:59:40 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: Dog Gone

Having read my comments, you understand (I presume) the intellectual failings of atheism described therein.


331 posted on 03/15/2008 4:09:23 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (The only way for honorable people to be liberal is to have no idea what conservatism is.)
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To: reasonisfaith

None of this stuff is easy. If atheism or any particular brand of religion were simple and uncontroversial, we wouldn’t have been killing each other over it for the past few thousand years.

It isn’t and we do.


332 posted on 03/15/2008 5:04:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Killing each other is human nature. Take away Christianity from any given society, and the killing increases exponentially.

I’m glad you brought up the notion of “easy” and “uncontroversial.” The ultimate controversy is certainly volatile, and what I really want to point out is that it is not of an intellectual nature. It is a struggle that takes place on a spiritual level. True wisdom is of the spirit and has nothing to do with IQ.

Atheists don’t understand this. And although we discuss it here within an intellectual context, it doesn’t require intellectual understanding.


333 posted on 03/16/2008 7:40:42 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (The only way for honorable people to be liberal is to have no idea what conservatism is.)
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