[wideawake]

Ickes wouldn't be ascribing such responsibility to Penn unless he was dead certain that Clinton was toast.

And Ickes knows a lot more about how things are going than anyone in the media.

[Bogeygolfer]

She’s certainly dead for 2008. The Clintons are about to become the two biggest McCain fans on the planet, albeit in the closet. If McCain wins then Hillary will have one last shot in 2012.