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To: Non-Sequitur
Shouldn't leaving have the same requirements as entering?

No, and you know why, because the subject has been beaten to death on other threads (and you lost).

Once a State, a State is a State is a State. Nihil Obstat if a State wishes to assume full sovereignty.

Some States, it has also been pointed out to you, were States before they were members of the Union, and that includes States that were not members of the original Thirteen Colonies. I refer to, and we have discussed at length, the cases of Vermont, Texas, and Hawaii.

California "could" be thrown into the mix, but their "Bear Flag Republic" was a put-up job, like the Lecompton Constitution in Kansas (I'm sure you will agree about that last). So arguendo I leave them out.

94 posted on 03/03/2008 6:27:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

The whole State needing their full sovereignty once they have entered into a contract to give up the independence as a separate nation to a central federal government reeks of a child taking his ball and going home once the game doesn’t go his way.

Most Confederate wannabees understand that, but cannot admit to it, so I’ll say it for them.

I for one am glad the south lost, because if it had won, I’d be some peon of a cotton farm in a country very similar to Mexico today where only the privileged upper class ruled and no better off then the slaves of olden days.


95 posted on 03/03/2008 6:40:33 AM PST by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: lentulusgracchus
No, and you know why, because the subject has been beaten to death on other threads (and you lost).

In your dreams.

Once a State, a State is a State is a State. Nihil Obstat if a State wishes to assume full sovereignty.

Once a state. And it becomes a state, is created in effect, by the act of being admitted to the Union. It is admitted by the other states. Once in, it is forbidden to take actions which impact the interests of the other states without the approval of the other states as expressed through a vote in Congress. Yet you would have us believe that they can suddenly do what they want, take what they want, repudiate any obligations that they want by assuming a level of sovereignty that they didn't have before or while a part of the Union. And nothing at all hinders that? The other states have no say in the matter, and therefore have choice but to accept being screwed by the departing states? Absolute nonsense.

Some States, it has also been pointed out to you, were States before they were members of the Union, and that includes States that were not members of the original Thirteen Colonies. I refer to, and we have discussed at length, the cases of Vermont, Texas, and Hawaii.

The fact of which is irrelevant to these discussions. Texas and Hawaii and Vermont still had to be allowed to join the Union. Once in their status was no different that that of the other states, and they enjoyed no special rights that the other states didn't. That includes walking out unilaterally.

California "could" be thrown into the mix, but their "Bear Flag Republic" was a put-up job, like the Lecompton Constitution in Kansas (I'm sure you will agree about that last).

No more put up than Hawaii, but do what you want.

99 posted on 03/03/2008 9:54:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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