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Obama wins Hawaii caucuses
Chicago Tribune ^ | 20 Feb 2008 | Jason George

Posted on 02/20/2008 1:03:04 AM PST by Alter Kaker

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To: dayglored

LOL!


21 posted on 02/20/2008 7:00:47 AM PST by sarasota
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To: dayglored

“The Dem power brokers aren’t going to foist Hillary on the party over Obama because of race alone. They’ll do it mainly because she has establishment power over them. Whether it’s FBI files or favors or because she knows who they slept with last year.

So it’s not just black voters who will feel, and be, disenfranchised. Obama’s lead over Clinton cuts across all demographics. White folks who’ve voted for him will be at least as pissed off as black folks.

Young voters will be especially annoyed, since for a lot of them this is their first experience with the American political system. I don’t know whether they’ll feel the pain strongly enough to riot, or just shrug it off as politics as usual and go back to staring at MySpace.”


Remember who the head of the Democratic Party is: Howard Dean. He is not in the Clinton camp and has never been a member of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Clinton power center in the party. Dean will not endorse anyone, but you can bet he’s pro-Obama.
Obama is well positioned with the power elites of the party, particularly Ted Kennedy. He’s done his “inside Democrat politics” homework.
I don’t think there’s any stopping Obama, until the general election.


22 posted on 02/20/2008 8:10:45 AM PST by jamese777
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To: gridlock; Halgr
We are witnessing the end of the Clinton Machine. This is a very, very good thing.

We shall see. I don't trust the Clintons....and their dead voters....and the illegals they have and continue to pander to.......nevertheless, I am enjoying watching her get batted 'round, quite hard.

23 posted on 02/20/2008 8:16:34 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
You may be right. Of course, the only thing better than a quick end for the Clintons is a slow, lingering end to the Clintons that does irreparable harm to the Democrat Party in the process.

I’m good with that, too!

24 posted on 02/20/2008 8:19:44 AM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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To: gridlock
the only thing better than a quick end for the Clintons is a slow, lingering end to the Clintons that does irreparable harm to the Democrat Party in the process. I’m good with that, too!

And me as well. Some say though (and I can't believe I'm actually beginning to go along with their thoughts) that obama's worse than shillery....from what I've been reading on him...unbelievable as it could even sound....they may be right. Would that all these commie/socialist liberals have a stake put through all their black hearts.

25 posted on 02/20/2008 8:24:05 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

OK. Put down the knife and step away from the bathtub...

Bambi is bad, but Mrs. Clinton has to be worse. Furthermore, I do not buy the argument that Bambi would be a tougher opponent in the General Election. Mrs. Clinton can’t use her nukes now, because she is fighting against an untouchable Democrat. She will not be so constrained in the General Election against John McCain.

As far as who would be a worse President, I know Mrs. Clinton. I am willing to take my chances with Bambi.


26 posted on 02/20/2008 8:27:26 AM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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To: gridlock; Halgr
OK. Put down the knife and step away from the bathtub...

lol. I'm being series. : )

There is much about Obama that is every bit as bad as shillery...and every day I'm learning more and more. They are, imho, at the very least, equally bad (I say this because what I've already learned about Obama is coming very close to what we already know about shillery. Did you know that he has been involved with communists? I mean, closely? This was in an article I just read yesterday.) Then there's his upbringing/ties to Islam. I know that Halgr also has concerns about Obama....and just so you know, I loathe, absolutely loathe shillery...

27 posted on 02/20/2008 8:33:09 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: jamese777

DLC = Democrats Loving Corruption.


28 posted on 02/20/2008 8:35:42 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: nicmarlo
Well, we’ll just have to win in November, then.

I think Obama is easier to beat then Mrs. Clinton, because he will have a harder time seizing the center. Also, I think his opposition to the Iraq War will hurt him, because people are not ready for somebody that weak on National Security, and that weakness will play into his generally not being ready for prime time.

It’s not a shoe-in, but at least we have a shot. I really think Mrs. Clinton would bury us in the Fall, if she were the nominee.

29 posted on 02/20/2008 8:38:29 AM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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To: gridlock

The sad thing is, honestly, I think we’re screwed no matter who wins this time.

It’s more than sad, actually. It’s horrific.


30 posted on 02/20/2008 9:01:23 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

There are degrees of screwed.

There is the McCain screwed, where he sells us down the river on immigration and expansion of health care, but holds the line on the War on Terror.

Then there is the screwed/blued/tattood Obama screwed, where he throws open the border, grants amnesty to everyone, nationalizes the health care system and pulls out of Iraq on Day 1.

Pick the least level of screwed and vote accordingly. That’s what I will be doing.


31 posted on 02/20/2008 9:09:38 AM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I’m willing to bet that half of the people that voted for Barack simply voted for him because he’s a “local boy” from Hawaii.


32 posted on 02/20/2008 9:10:58 AM PST by BROKKANIC
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To: gridlock

I already decided I’m not voting for someone who’s into screwing us: RINO’s or liberals “R”/”D”, so...all those options are out.

I’m voting conservative, and if that means “write in,” so be it.


33 posted on 02/20/2008 9:12:14 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Then don’t come bitchin’ to me about President Obama.


34 posted on 02/20/2008 9:13:35 AM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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To: BROKKANIC
I’m willing to bet that half of the people that voted for Barack simply voted for him because he’s a “local boy” from Hawaii.

If half the people who voted for Obama had stayed home, Obama would still have beaten Hillary in Hawaii by 17 points.

35 posted on 02/20/2008 9:16:27 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: gridlock

If you wish to vote for a liberal, that’s upon you.

As for me a mine, we vote for conservatives, and only conservatives. The line is drawn in the sand. The GOP and the RINOs can do what they need to do to revert back to the principles upon which they were founded, or can continue running left.....without their principles and the conservatives they have abandoned.


36 posted on 02/20/2008 9:22:26 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Your choice. But when President Obama does something stupid, your principled vote for a third party loser will be cold comfort.


37 posted on 02/20/2008 9:25:39 AM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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To: gridlock

And the GOP will likely take it to heart when they see and finally feel the devastation they have created by abandoning the very principles that once set them apart from democrats and liberals.


38 posted on 02/20/2008 9:28:34 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: torchthemummy
" Hawaii 10-0,"

Book her, Bam-O.

39 posted on 02/20/2008 9:33:39 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: nicmarlo

Whatever. Don’t hold your breath.

Do you suppose all Democrats are happy with the ideological purity of their nominee?


40 posted on 02/20/2008 10:04:55 AM PST by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 7, 2008.)
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