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Thaši confirms Kosovo will proclaim independence on Sunday
AFP via translation | February 16, 2007

Posted on 02/16/2008 3:18:17 AM PST by HAL9000

via translation -

ALERT - Kosovo: Thaçi confirms a proclamation of independence Sunday

PRISTINA (Serbia) - Prime Minister of Kosovo Hashim Thaçi confirmed Saturday that the independence of the province in southern Serbia was proclaimed Sunday, when he said "the will of the citizens of Kosovo" will be executed.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kla; kosovo; pristina; serbia; thaci

1 posted on 02/16/2008 3:18:19 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Is Serbia expected is respond in some way or what are the implications? Haven’t been keeping up to speed on this.


2 posted on 02/16/2008 3:32:18 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

” what are the implications “

The US is (wrongheadedly, IMO) backing the Kosovars, while Russia has indicated that they’re firmly in the Serb camp....

(Remembering history — Sarajevo was the flash-point that kicked off ‘The War to End All Wars’ back in 1914 or so)


3 posted on 02/16/2008 3:37:19 AM PST by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Uncle Ike

I think this matter is strongly influenced by the current tensions between the U.S. and Russia.


4 posted on 02/16/2008 3:40:57 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Yep — hence my reference to WWI....

That, also, was a minor dustup between minor bit-players (in the same part of the world) with some powerful alliances, and it got out of control...

The historical parallel verges on ‘eerie’.....


5 posted on 02/16/2008 3:47:33 AM PST by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: maquiladora
What can Serbia do as long as the armed presence of Big Brother is lodged in Kosovo to "protect" them?
6 posted on 02/16/2008 3:47:47 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: HAL9000

I am 100% in favor of the Serbs in this matter.
This is the rare time when Russia is right and we are wrong.


7 posted on 02/16/2008 3:51:12 AM PST by Bobalu (I guess I done see'd that varmint for the last time....)
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To: HAL9000

I am 100% in favor of the Serbs in this matter.
This is the rare time when Russia is right and we are wrong.


8 posted on 02/16/2008 3:51:42 AM PST by Bobalu (I guess I done see'd that varmint for the last time....)
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To: HAL9000
The War That Clinton Won TM ® © 1998 continues to bite the world in the nether regions.
9 posted on 02/16/2008 3:58:56 AM PST by cake_crumb (American Conservative Union prez endorsed ROMNEY over McCain. 'Nuff said.)
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To: Bobalu

In recent threads I have seen statistics that the current population of Kosovo is 95% Albanian and 5% Serbian. If this is true then it will probably require a full scale war between Russia and NATO to keep Kosovo inside Serbia. Such a war would very likely end up with an exchange of nuclear weapons.


10 posted on 02/16/2008 4:01:02 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: Uncle Ike

And once again I firmly agree with Putin on this. Only thing I’ve ever agreed with him on. The best thing the US could do is let the UN continue to try to contain this mess started by Clinton in order not to SUCCEED at starting WWIII this time around.


11 posted on 02/16/2008 4:02:19 AM PST by cake_crumb (American Conservative Union prez endorsed ROMNEY over McCain. 'Nuff said.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Isn’t that at least partly because, aided by the KLA we dislocated thousands of Serbs from their Kosovo homes so the “ethnic Albanians” KLA could take their rightful places in the newly undisputed territory after Clinton Won the War?


12 posted on 02/16/2008 4:10:28 AM PST by cake_crumb (American Conservative Union prez endorsed ROMNEY over McCain. 'Nuff said.)
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To: Bobalu
"This is the rare time when Russia is right and we are wrong."

I remember reading an article about 5 years ago comparing freedoms in Russia & America. Russians had substantially more. America is choked with laws and regulations.

Even our Bill of Rights have eroded and/or under attack every day. Seems like the only right we have, is the right to lose everything. Ben Franklin was definately correct!

13 posted on 02/16/2008 4:11:53 AM PST by moonman
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To: maquiladora
"Is Serbia expected is respond in some way or what are the implications? Haven?t been keeping up to speed on this."

I have read elsewhere that Serbia and Russia are in discussions about establishing a Russian base in Serbia. Maybe other FReepers can comment on the specifics. I don’t know if anything will come of this, but Serbia needs Russian support to stand up to the EU and NATO. I suspect that any reaction will be economic and not military. The US has succeeded in creating a terrorist mini-state in Europe - the world turned upside down.

14 posted on 02/16/2008 4:24:46 AM PST by Truth29
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To: HAL9000

I support the Serbs and Russians on this one. NATO’s presence there is a violation of its charter. It should get out immediately and let the Serbs take their property back from the Albanian/KLA terrorists. This is the most absurd thing our government has ever done —


15 posted on 02/16/2008 4:27:26 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

using that rationale we should give independence to every part of the us that is 95% something other than american such as the southwest.


16 posted on 02/16/2008 4:45:30 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: HAL9000

So Putin has no ties to the jihadists there?


17 posted on 02/16/2008 4:58:43 AM PST by AliVeritas ( (To err is human, but to really screw up it takes the Berkeley City Council))
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To: Truth29
I have read elsewhere that Serbia and Russia are in discussions about establishing a Russian base in Serbia.

How would Russia get access to Serbia? The country has been land locked since Montenegro, which provided its only access to the Adriatic Sea, became independent in 2006.

18 posted on 02/16/2008 5:41:19 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
It won't require a full-scale war.

The Euros will run for the hills, as soon as hostilities break out.

And the American public doesn't have the stomach for another war, right now.

That leaves the Serbs, backed by Russia, and the Kosovars, backed by the Jihadis. I'll put my money on the Serbs, in the long run.
19 posted on 02/16/2008 5:41:24 AM PST by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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To: Cacique
using that rationale we should give independence to every part of the us that is 95% something other than american such as the southwest.

In actual fact if any signifigant part of the US was 95% in favor of secession from the union, it would be given independence. One reason the Confederacy didn't succeed in its secession is that it was no where near 95% in favor of secession, and that is without considering the opinions of the blacks.

20 posted on 02/16/2008 5:51:28 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: moonman
comparing freedoms in Russia & America. Russians had substantially more.

Any article making such an analysis would be either dishonest or lunatic.

21 posted on 02/16/2008 5:54:55 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: Truth29
I suspect that any reaction will be economic and not military.

If reaction will not be military, what use would the Russians have for a MILITARY base?

22 posted on 02/16/2008 5:57:36 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: horse_doc
And the American public doesn't have the stomach for another war, right now.

All the more reason for the US to use methods sufficient to stop the Russians and not requiring additional troops. One thing is certain, Russia will NOT be allowed to expand its presence to the Mediterranean. A Russian Mediterranean would be considered a threat to the existence of the US, and responded to in the appropriate manner.

23 posted on 02/16/2008 6:02:31 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: HAL9000
Prime Minister of Kosovo Hashim Thaçi confirmed Saturday that the independence of the province in southern Serbia was proclaimed Sunday, when he said "the will of the citizens of Kosovo" will be executed.

Ugh! This man is a terrorist and murderer. And it is HE that ought to be "executed" (along with Ceku!).

24 posted on 02/16/2008 6:13:39 AM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: HAL9000
It might be a measure of America's attention span.

But there are some really odd history questions and opinions on this thread...

And, while it could just be a side effect of age - ten years does not seem so very long to me.

25 posted on 02/16/2008 7:03:00 AM PST by norton ( There is no longer any choice)
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To: bill1952
“What can Serbia do as long as the armed presence of Big Brother is lodged in Kosovo to “protect” them?”

Do what they have in every other case of split up in the former Yugoslavia; have the Serbian majority areas try to secede from the new state. There is a corner of Kosovo in the northeast that is contiguous with the rest of Serbia.

In addition, they can try an economic boycott of Kosovo, refusing to provide power or other key economic goods.

Thirdly, they will downgrade diplomatic ties with each state that recognizes Kosovo.

There are other strategies that are more chancy: calling on Russian forces to protect their remaining corner of Kosovo. This is chancy because now Serbia is landlocked, and neighboring states could deny Russia overflight and ground routes to supply their army. I don’t know if Vladimir Vladmirovich wants to do the “Pristina Airlift” if he can’t get permission from Hungary or Croatia to reach Belgrade.

There are small forces in both Serbia and Kosovo who want to provoke a shooting war. I think the SFOR would squash that.

This is a bad business all around. There could have been diplomatic solutions reaching all the way back to February 1999 in Rambouillet, but one side or another — usually the Serbs, because they felt they had the most to lose — refused to compromise.

26 posted on 02/16/2008 7:37:05 AM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: horse_doc

Without America bombing the hell out of Serbian elementary schools and hospitals, the Euroweenies will not have the guts to escalate.

The question is, will Jorge the Mexican follow Bubba in destroying the last strong people of Europe?


27 posted on 02/16/2008 7:38:47 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"I suspect that any reaction will be economic and not military. If reaction will not be military, what use would the Russians have for a MILITARY base?"

The base could be for "show the flag" support" with no plans for real military action.

28 posted on 02/16/2008 7:45:50 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Fiji Hill
"How would Russia get access to Serbia? The country has been land locked since Montenegro, which provided its only access to the Adriatic Sea, became independent in 2006."

Not all of the surrounding states are in favor of Kosovo independence. Some, like Bulgaria, for instance, might allow transit or overflight of a token Russian force to reach Serbia.

29 posted on 02/16/2008 7:52:09 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29
Some, like Bulgaria, for instance, might allow transit or overflight of a token Russian force to reach Serbia.

Bulgaria is a member of NATO and the European Union. Like other members of the EC it is about to lose control over its national sovereignty.

30 posted on 02/16/2008 8:12:27 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Russian Mediterranean Naval Build-Up Challenges NATO Sixth Fleet Domination - Defense Update News Analysis.
Address:http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:of7y52hNEwMJ:www.defense-update.com/analysis/analysis_091207_navy.htm+russian+mediterranean+naval+base&hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF-8&strip=1


31 posted on 02/16/2008 8:26:11 AM PST by Truth29
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To: bill1952
What can Serbia do as long as the armed presence of Big Brother is lodged in Kosovo to "protect" them?

Russia is in a very good position to deal with European supporters of Kosovo independence. They have only to shut off their natural gas pipeline to Europe, and Putin is looking for an excuse for a showdown.

32 posted on 02/16/2008 8:58:50 AM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: Bobalu
I am 100% in favor of the Serbs in this matter. This is the rare time when Russia is right and we are wrong.

I've got to agree with you.

33 posted on 02/16/2008 8:59:57 AM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: HAL9000
Oh Boy......

This is akin to Taiwan declaring independence.

34 posted on 02/16/2008 9:01:22 AM PST by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
All the more reason for the US to use methods sufficient to stop the Russians and not requiring additional troops. One thing is certain, Russia will NOT be allowed to expand its presence to the Mediterranean. A Russian Mediterranean would be considered a threat to the existence of the US, and responded to in the appropriate manner.

While I would normally agree with you, Russia now flush with petro-dollars [rubles?]is now in a very good position to challenge a United States strapped for cash because of our enlightened "free trade" policies.

35 posted on 02/16/2008 9:05:18 AM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: Truth29

You are correct, the US is certainly wary of all Russian advances in the Mediterranean.


36 posted on 02/16/2008 9:07:30 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Bulgaria is a member of NATO and the European Union. Like other members of the EC it is about to lose control over its national sovereignty.

I'm sure a rich Russia could easily persuade Bulgaria to have a change of heart. Such things are done all the time.

37 posted on 02/16/2008 9:07:36 AM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: E. Cartman
Europe has far more wealth than Russia, although it also has a dependency on Russian energy supplies. Russia only has oil wealth when it sells it to the EC. No energy for Europe means no wealth for Russia. The US has both more wealth and more military power than Russia. Putin does not have the horses to win militarily. If he tries to bluff his way to victory, he will be making the mistake Hitler made in 1938, and most people on the Earth will be killed.
38 posted on 02/16/2008 9:15:47 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: HAL9000

Serbia has no choice, but to accept reality ...Kosovo is gone, at least for now. From the other side looks like Serbian Government is getting ready for long political battle for regaining the lost territory. Simple example of the Government decision to buy premium Internet location kosovo.com and invest in guerrilla marketing tells a lot. It is good news that finally is recognized that fighting with weapons is not productive and does not bring good results.

Curtis


39 posted on 02/16/2008 12:39:33 PM PST by Curtis79
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Not so fast! Today's Russia does not have the intrusive government in place it had under Soviet rule. Even then, for instance, if a guy wanted to build a shed in his back yard, who would give him more hoops to jump over, the Soviet or your city government?

More ... How about a guy smoking a cigarette in a public outdoor area? A teacher hugging a student? Telling a ethnic or sexual preference joke? etc...

40 posted on 02/17/2008 3:40:28 AM PST by moonman
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