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Should California Restrict Driving In Order To Cut Greenhouse Gas Emissions?
California Planning & Development Report ^ | 27 January 2008 | Bill Fulton

Posted on 01/31/2008 5:31:32 PM PST by Lorianne

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To: Lorianne

Fulton is one of those eternal dreamers who do believe indeed that one can have his cake and eat it too; as long as he gets his first.


21 posted on 01/31/2008 5:56:03 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Lorianne

More economic suicide, commmmmmmmmming right up! (Good deals on land in Nevada, prices are low due to the subprime issues, but, when the next wave of refugees starts to arrive, it will be going back up).


22 posted on 01/31/2008 5:57:37 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Lorianne

The interesting thing about this piece is that the issue that they are tip-toeing around is not coercive limits on where, and when and how far one may be “permitted” to drive. (which the commentors on this thread picked up on).

No, the issue that’s being alluded to here is “densification” — ie, “encouraging” local agencies to increase densities to the point where mass transit is viabable (cf east coast cities), and to use “mixed-use” zoning strategies to co-locate residential and business related uses. They are worried (rightly) about the NIMBY problem.


23 posted on 01/31/2008 5:58:34 PM PST by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: absalom01

From his support group:

William Fulton is an urban planning expert and the editor and publisher of California Planning & Development Report and author of The Regional City: Planning for the End of Sprawl (with Peter Calthorpe), Guide to California Planning, and California: Land and Legacy.


24 posted on 01/31/2008 6:00:00 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: dragnet2

I don’t live in Dallas or Houston, I never claimed Texas was perfect and I’m not “burping” anything. I am in Texas because my business in Biloxi, Miss. was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina. I’m not planning on staying, but it was a port in the storm. I grew up in Chino, California in an almost Mayberry-like existence. I have a feeling that that place is long gone now.


25 posted on 01/31/2008 6:02:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: Lorianne
Hell yes, most of the liberal BS comes from that state. Make-em park their rides and walk.
26 posted on 01/31/2008 6:02:33 PM PST by kempo (H)
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To: TommyDale

They have done studies and learned that HOV lanes take up the space of a regular lane for fewer people. They actually cause worse traffic by doing this. Thus, millions of cars in stop and go traffic making more pollution.


27 posted on 01/31/2008 6:02:46 PM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do work American's won't do)
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To: Lorianne
How do they deal with visitors, do they limit their travel?

I mean what happens when you reach the limit for the year and does your car mysteriously stops, never to run until January 1 the next year?

28 posted on 01/31/2008 6:04:45 PM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: Lorianne
Just starting to give voice to their real goal, strict controls on the means of production. Land Use control, Vehicle Use control, Power Use Control - sounds like communism to me.

And for those of you who say you’re glad you aren’t in California - coming soon to a state near you. Guv Ed in Pennsylvania signed us on to some agreement for carbon controls that puts the air quality of PA under the California Carb Board. Pennsylvania’s Department of Environmental Protection is charged with implementing California Clean Air Standards for vehicles (and probably other air quality things from what I see becoming unavailable). The Board appointed by the Governor of CA (who was elected by the CA citizens) is going to determine what the Citizen’s of PA will have to comply with. Where’s the representation of the PA citizens? CA legislature passed the law calling for their CARB board. PA Governor brought us under it by executive order...

29 posted on 01/31/2008 6:05:16 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Lorianne

Trial Balloon


30 posted on 01/31/2008 6:10:36 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I'm a FredHead!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My point was, no one is isolated from ever growing, all encompassing, intrusive government. Be it the local, state or Federal ruling elite.

If there was a state in America that was totally conservative, not being invaded by illegal aliens, and had great year round weather, and a good economy...I’d be there tomorrow.

Unfortunately no such place exists.

Ya ever notice that every state in this country is now passing, or continually attempting to pass new leftist, intrusive laws, regulations etc?


31 posted on 01/31/2008 6:10:55 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Lorianne
See? You didn't like sitting in traffic so the bureaucrats will fix it for you! What's not to like?

That way, truly important people like them driving the outrageously expensive ZEVs you will buy for them won't be delayed. Think of the improvement you'll derive for your tax dollars by the increase in their productivity!

32 posted on 01/31/2008 6:14:18 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Lorianne
CARB Chair Mary Nichols is the same NRDC thug who brought you MTBE!

Small world!

33 posted on 01/31/2008 6:15:58 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Lorianne

Yeah, and that wonderful conservative Ahnold, gubernator of Caleefohnia, has just signed on the McNasty bandwagon.

I bet McNasty would love to restrict our driving to cut back on greenhouse gas.


34 posted on 01/31/2008 6:17:47 PM PST by dforest (Don't even ask me to vote for McCain, Rudy, or Huckster.)
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To: saganite

I wouldn’t doubt it!


35 posted on 01/31/2008 6:21:53 PM PST by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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To: Carry_Okie
See? You didn't like sitting in traffic so the bureaucrats will fix it for you! What's not to like?

And to make sure this happens, the Federal welcome mat is still out, as the conga-line of millions enter, adding to the jammed roads, hospitals, schools etc.

But you being an American, need to stop driving, stop polluting and conserve energy.

I think I'll do what the feds are doing....If we ever get low on food at my house, and all the bedrooms become full, I'm going to invite in several hundred illegals to live under my roof...Seems like a great solution huh?

36 posted on 01/31/2008 6:22:26 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Seems like a great solution huh?

Naaah I'll just change my name by jangin "ez" on the ends of all the words!

37 posted on 01/31/2008 6:27:13 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Lorianne
It is obvious that California should only issue drivers licenses to movie stars. They are the only persons who are worthy of such a privilege except maybe for politicians. Recall folks that we are the home of the brave and the land of the free.
38 posted on 01/31/2008 6:47:56 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: saganite

There will be an outcry from me. The ba$tard$ can help deport the 4-5 million illegals that are all over our highways, then, and only then, can they talk to me about capping my damn mileage.


39 posted on 01/31/2008 6:47:57 PM PST by sheana
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To: Lorianne

This used to be a free country..


40 posted on 01/31/2008 7:15:39 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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