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Pope says some science shatters human dignity
Scientific American ^ | January 30, 2008 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 01/31/2008 1:34:58 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 01/31/2008 1:34:59 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/31/2008 1:35:36 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To some extent, that is the case. Even on non-abortion/euthanasia topics.

Take plain 'ole genetics, for instance. So many behavioral and personality aspects and characteristics are being treated as based on genetics or epigenetics. And then there are chemicals from diets and malformed body parts (organs, glands, etc.). On one level, those things probably do influence personality, behavior, temperment, etc., but there's danger in ascribing everything to chemical reactions.

There's more to humanity than hormones and neurotransmitters.

3 posted on 01/31/2008 1:42:44 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: NYer

It’s my personal belief that man will cross the red line one day with all this human cloning stuff and that is when the end of the world will be.


4 posted on 01/31/2008 1:45:10 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (WAA! Bush is not conservative! - Let's vote for FLIP Romney!!)
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To: NYer

No one, not even the Pope, knows the meaning of the word ‘dignity’ but we use it all the time. Some kind of verbal ornament.


5 posted on 01/31/2008 1:48:17 PM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: NYer

Raw science does not shatter human dignity. What people do with it does though. How they go about practicing it can also do it.


6 posted on 01/31/2008 1:50:09 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: RightWhale

Bob Dylan wrote a song about it.

Dignity.

Bob knows.


7 posted on 01/31/2008 1:50:54 PM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Help us out. What IS dignity?


8 posted on 01/31/2008 1:51:59 PM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: don-o

Bob knows a lot more than he lets on.


9 posted on 01/31/2008 1:53:03 PM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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Mankind crossed a line when Satan tempted with the words “ye shall be as Gods.” They were cast out of Paradise.

Clearly, to play God would be to place the future of your soul at risk. The Pope is in the business of delivering as many of these souls to Paradise as possible. Therefore, we should not play God, we should not fiddle around with God’s Creation in such a manner, and the Church’s teaching on abortion/euthanasia/contraception/embryonic stem cells is so clear in this area, it baffles me that more people do not understand it.

Of course, there are those who do not worry about the fate of their soul, because they do not believe. I pray that God tears down the imperfect walls these people have constructed around their hardened hearts (I say imperfect, because humans aren’t perfect, and God will find a way to bring your walls down).


10 posted on 01/31/2008 1:54:07 PM PST by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: RightWhale
I know, I know! dig·ni·ty /ˈdɪgnɪti/ Pronunciation[dig-ni-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -ties. 1. bearing, conduct, or speech indicative of self-respect or appreciation of the formality or gravity of an occasion or situation. 2. nobility or elevation of character; worthiness: dignity of sentiments. 3. elevated rank, office, station, etc. 4. relative standing; rank. 5. a sign or token of respect: an impertinent question unworthy of the dignity of an answer. 6. Archaic. a. person of high rank or title. b. such persons collectively. What do I win?
11 posted on 01/31/2008 2:09:47 PM PST by CTK YKC
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Sorry, but your definitions although multitudinous are not even in the ballpark except for #6 which indicates the direction for further research.


12 posted on 01/31/2008 2:12:34 PM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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First of all, I’m against all government research that has no direct military applications. That said...

What exactly does it mean to “play God”? Change what God made? Last time I checked that’s how humans thrive, changing their surroundings. Why is changing ourselves such a huge leap?

If I can’t have a child the ‘natural’ way, I’m glad science can help. If I have a genetic defect that takes a pill to cure, why wouldn’t I take it. If I can have my heart cloned when the ticker is running out on the one I have, why wouldn’t I do it? Because it’s ‘playing God’? All I see is another excuse for some people to tell others how to live their lives. If no ones individual rights are being violated then no one has the right to tell another what to do.


13 posted on 01/31/2008 2:23:29 PM PST by Raymann
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To: RightWhale

Tell us. What does “dignity” mean? Or are you proposing that it has no meaning: ain’t no such thing?


14 posted on 01/31/2008 2:29:15 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (“It takes courage to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to your friends.)
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No, I will not tell. It is used in various learned works where the meanings given as above have no meaning whatsoever. It shall remain a secret sign of recognition among the seekers.


15 posted on 01/31/2008 2:32:22 PM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: Raymann

I’m not saying that all science or all pharmacy is playing God. I have a degree in Chemistry myself. What I am saying is that we as human beings should not control life in such a way. If we attempt to concieve, it is God’s will if it happens. Otherwise, adoption is a very noble thing. And concerning death, God will call us home when He decides. Natural conception to natural death, that is God’s way.

In these cases, no one seems to care whether or not the unborn’s rights are being violated. Or whether or not people considered to be in a “vegetative state” are having their rights violated.


16 posted on 01/31/2008 2:47:31 PM PST by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: NYer

God bless the Pope. Ave Maria.


17 posted on 01/31/2008 3:02:40 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (what would the founders do?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

In a lot of ways, the punishment of man’s sin is found in the sin itself. i.e., I don’t think there’s one single line in the sand that will precipitate the end. But the continuing dehumanization and collateralization of life will lead to greater and greater acts of inhumanity and atrocity as societal “norms”.

Some may argue that the 20th century may never be paralleled in the kind of worldwide savagery that spanned two world wars, the concentration camps, the gulags, S.E. Asia, Africa, etc. But those were all atrocities committed during war, power consolidation, and general upheaval. We’re talking about normal, “civilized” society with a scoreboard of aborted babies that would make your run of the mill political tyrant blush. When Hitler experimented on human beings, it was ghastly. When society demands it today, it’s “progress”. That’s the qualitative difference: The 20th century featured perverted, heartless individuals; today we have a perverted, heartless society. That’s the price of sin, and God doesn’t have to lift a finger for us to suffer unspeakable punishment.


18 posted on 01/31/2008 3:10:45 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: NYer

God Bless the Pope.


19 posted on 01/31/2008 3:16:16 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: RightWhale

Dignity, in the religious sense, is the irrevocable quality of man being made in the image of God (i.e., infused with a soul). Nothing a man does can forfeit his right to be treated with this dignity in mind because the soul is ever-present. Thus what one does to the least among us, they do that unto God Himself, as well.

Just sayin’.


20 posted on 01/31/2008 3:22:43 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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