Posted on 01/29/2008 1:06:35 PM PST by george76
Edited on 01/29/2008 2:53:41 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Even Hollywood couldn't have written a more ideal script for the Internal Revenue Service than actor Wesley Snipes' tax-fraud trial.
At a time when millions of Americans are buckling down to prepare their taxes, Snipes is being cast as a villainous example of the dangers of joining with Internet-fueled activists who claim the IRS has no authority to collect taxes.
I’m afraid that iagree with Snipes
Wesley Snipes: All Kinds Of Crazy
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0114082snipes1.html
“Nobody likes paying taxes, but paying taxes is the price we pay to live in a civilized society,”
anybody look around lately? the more we pay the worse it gets!
Russians pay 13%? Maybe we just switch with them, give them our flags and Constitution and let them have it while we take their stuff and become communist like the democrats seem to what to have us duplicate.
The DNC’s motto: The only reason communism did not work is because the government did not have enough money.
This is the “change” thing they are all running on. Remember Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama and Clinton - we need to change America.
Now you know.
Didn’t someone actually win one of these recently?
Not that I recall.
There was this :
a New Hampshire tax protester vowed to die fighting rather than be apprehended following criminal conviction on several tax charges.
Brown and his wife were taken peacefully, but only after agents tricked the couple into surrender.
Yep, I think Rome taxed itself out of being a society.
The people that want communism should go live in a communistic country.
“Didn’t someone actually win one of these recently?”
I believe it was Tom Cryer.
Yes. I think an attorney in LA just smoked the IRS.
You may be referring to a case, the name escapes me, where an employer paid his employees either in $50 gold pieces or in pre-64 silver coins, both calculated at face value. I am not sure what the advantage was; perhaps the employess would work for far less since the “face” value of what they were being paid since their gorss numbers would probably be vastly smaller than “normal” or even below taxable limits. The $50 gold pieces, being an ounce of gold, were worth north of $800 each (at the time of payment) and are worth about $920. today. $1 of junk silver coins is worth roughly $11.75. What I don’t see is the advantage to the payor/employer.
OMG .. Heaven forbid that someone should actually question being robbed at gunpoint for a POS government that takes your $$$ and burns it on the poor, pi$$es it away on the mortgages of the financially incompetent, wastes it on inefficient and useless war and gives it to african AIDS thugs and Palestinian terrorists while calling it foreign aid. And they give it to the church of global bunk warming to the tune of 2 billion dollars. I'm not even trying to think of other ways the federal government wastes our $$.
We, the taxpayers, are SICK of financing stupid people.
The problem with communists is, they think under communism, they will be in charge. The elite with everything.
They forget they are not in charge here for the same reason, they will not be in charge there.
Thank God we don’t get all the government we pay for.
The people that want communism should go live in a communistic country.
the good ole USA has become the last bastion of Commie true believers. what a joke, mt parents fled the USSR during the war to get away from that crap. i’m glad they’re not with us anymore to see this sh!t.
Thank God we don’t get all the government we pay for.
Amen!
Not mentioned:
Snipes also bounced a $$$ multi-million dollar bad check on the IRS.
That probably didn’t help him much.
“Locks are important on windows to keep honest men from becoming thieves,” Cohen [former IRS Commissioner] said.
Well, there is the height of bureaucratic arrogance. Since we are all likley to become thieves, the IRS sees a need to make trials, like Wesley Snipes’, showcases of their muscle.
No need to travel. I get to enjoy communism right here in Ohio.
Thank you for the links.
Probably was paying the employer part of fica on the face value, saving a small fortune.
Forgot to paste the guys name.
Sheldon Cohen, who was IRS commissioner and general counsel in the 1960s.
Real piece of cake. Talks out of both sides of his mouth.
That much I can see, but I can hardly see any such savings outweighing the loss created by selling (say) a 1-oz gold eagle worth $800 (then) for fifty bucks! (1-oz Au Eagles are stamped with a $50 face value) Or any of the other variations of transacting bullion coins for face value, all of which lose about 90% of market value.
Maybe I missed the point of the story. I thought the employer was paying his employees. So if the employee was getting $800 a week, the employer would buy one Eagle($800), pay the employee, who would accept it, knowing it was worth $800.
Smoked?
LOL.
He beat the criminal charges. He still owes every penny of tax, penalty and interest. Plus whatever he paid to his criminal lawyers.
And, he'll probably be disbarred. He's a LAWYER (and an idiot.) Who ought to know better. Of course, this is Louisiana, so who knows.
That entire piece is absolute and total BS.
Why do you post crap like that? Are you a tax-protester? Or just an idiot?
>>That entire piece is absolute and total BS.
Why do you post crap like that? Are you a tax-protester? Or just an idiot?<<
No, just more into civilized discorse than you.
apparently...
Meanwhile, there’s more!
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44956
Interesting in different ways.
I also know of a pilot that won on a similar level a few years ago. She had claimed 99 deductions on her w2. Her case was simple: Show me where, in the code, it says my wages are taxable and I will gladly pay. They didn’t so she didn’t. They (the IRS) took her to court. She won.
The case is building...
Actually, you seem to be the only one defending the IRS on this thread so far.
The employer and the employee were telling the IRS they were earning $50/wk. and paying taxes on $50/wk.
yitbos
Why do you hate us?
My daughters best friend is really smart (book smart, that is). She became an IRS agent out of college a few years ago. She was fairly quickly promoted to a position where she is one of the ones that shows up at a business to enforce a search warrant and confiscation of records.
Intersting thing is that part of her training was done on a firing range. She wears a kevlar vest and carries a handgun to her “appointments”.
I thought the Snipes trial was about Darwin and monkeys, what’s up with that?
More here too: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1871788/posts
So that fits with my take that the employer was saving big on fica taxes...
That’s because in a society without ‘political correctness’ and a ‘safety net’ but with a firm sense of law and order, Social Darwinism would wipe out the good-for-nothing population that lowers the quality of life, and push those border-line cases into becoming responsible citizens.
Half of what the government spends from the General Fund is going into maintaining that safety net. Without all that spending, people would either fail completely and die out, or get their act together. The safety net keeps them in a limbo where they are continually dependent on government handouts but free to roam around and ruin our quality of life.
Interesting idea.
He’d save on FICA due to the lower wages his employees were willing to accept. He might also claim a business loss since he’d have to buy a $50 gold piece for $800 but only get $50 due to the ‘exchange rate’ to US Dollars.
It has always struck me as IMPORTANT information.
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“It is dangerous to be right when the state is wrong.”
Voltaire
Training Apes
A number of years ago, animal psychologists performed an experiment that goes a long way toward understanding some of the more perverse and illogical aspects of human behavior. And while I’m NOT putting humans down there with the monkeys, recent political events certainly make it increasingly difficult to maintain that separation.
Here’s what they did:
They began with a cage containing 5 apes. In the cage, they dangled a banana on a string near the roof and placed a set of stairs beneath it. One of the psychologists stationed himself above the cage with a high-pressure water hose. When the first ape attempted to climb the stairs toward the banana, the man on the hose opened up and thoroughly sprayed ALL the apes with ice cold water. The moment another of the apes attempted to touch the stairs, they ALL got another ice water shower. When yet another ape attempted the climb, another freezing deluge ensued.
At some point in the process, when one of the apes touched the stairs, the other apes frantically PULLED HIM BACK - even though NO water was sprayed on them.
They then removed one of the original apes and replaced it with a new one not involved in the first part of the exercise. The new ape spied the banana and headed for the stairs. He was IMMEDIATELY attacked by the other 4. After a few more attempts - and attacks - the new ape soon understood that any further attempts would result in another assault.
They then removed ANOTHER of the original apes, again replacing it with a new one. The newcomer went to the stairs and was promptly attacked by the other 4, INCLUDING the first replacement ape who had NEVER received the cold water shower.
They then removed the third of the original apes and inserted a new one. The new ape made it to the stairs and, as with the others, was promptly attacked. Two of the 4 apes that assaulted this new member had no idea WHY climbing the stairs was a forbidden activity or WHY they were participating in the assaults on the transgressors.
The experimenters then replaced the 4th and 5th apes leaving none of the original apes. No apes subjected to the cold showers remained in the cage.
Nevertheless, NO APES AGAIN EVER APPROACHED THE STAIRS.
If you don’t get the point of this story, go sit in the back of a courtroom during one of the thousands of “victimless crime” trials each year and watch the jurors refuse to touch the stairs.
“Without all that spending, people would either fail completely and die out, or get their act together. “
i think you’re missing a major point: these programs are jobs for worthless political hacks. these are useless individuals with idiotic credentials that suck at the government’s teats.
they have been, and will be a plague on any political system.
i could go on but, just visit some agency and request the services that they are supposed to provide.
I’m afraid that iagree with Snipes
you are well advised to be afraid.
Getting rid of the deadwood government employees would be half-accomplished if we eliminated all the safety-net programs where they ‘work’.
To get rid of the rest, just give government employees bonuses and raises for cutting costs within their departments — including by headcount reduction. I think we can safely count on their own larceny to cut headcount to the bare minimum using such a dog-eat-dog bonus plan, don’t you ?
Dude, you just scared me with that thought.
You actually think that posting BS constitutes civilized discourse?
LOL.
there’s more!
I'm sure there is, but why would you post yet nore BS about Joe Banister, a former California CPA who had his California CPA license REVOKED and who has been DISBARRED from practice before the IRS?
I also know of a pilot that won on a similar level a few years ago.
So does anyone who pays attention.
The difference is that you don't know what you're talking about.
Vernice Kuglin was also acquitted of willful failure to file.
GUESS WHAT?
She also owes every single penny of tax, penalty and interest and is busy paying it. And her criminal lawyers. The IRS has been garnishing her wages ever since her CRIMINAL trial "win." A criminal trial has nothing whatsoever to do with your civil tax liability.
Just like Cryer, she avoided prison. That's it.
Her case was simple: Show me where, in the code, it says my wages are taxable and I will gladly pay
No, it wasn't.
Just like Cryer, her defense was that she was TOO STUPID to understand the simple requirements under 26 USC. "I really didn't know I had to file."
The jury bought it. Even a blind tax protester finds a nut now and then.
The case is building...
LOL. The "Cheek" defense (I'm too dense to understand what everyone else easily understands) only works ONCE.
Are you really this stupid, or do you just play an idiot on FR?
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