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U.S. ups border gun checks as Mexico drug deaths jump
Reuters ^ | Jan 16, 2008 | Catherine Bremer

Posted on 01/16/2008 4:27:20 PM PST by SwinneySwitch

MEXICO CITY - U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey promised Mexico tougher controls on guns flowing illegally over the border on Wednesday as Mexican drug cartels have slain 115 people already this month.

Visiting Mexican counterpart Eduardo Medina Mora in his first foreign visit since taking office in November, Mukasey said the spurt in violence in the first two weeks of 2008 was a signal to keep up the pressure on what he called "drug terrorists".

Mexico, which has been fighting a nationwide war on powerful cartels for the past year, has urged its northern neighbor to stem the flood of U.S. firearms, grenades and military weapons that wind up in the hands of Mexican gangs.

"In a perverse kind of way the level of violence suggests a level of success in dealing with the drug problem," Mukasey told a round-table with foreign media in Mexico City.

"They may very well now be so constricted that they feel a necessity to hit back the way they've hit back. That's not to say we rejoice in the violence, but we have no choice but to continue the pressure and to confront them," he added.

Mukasey said an offer last year by U.S. President George W. Bush to inject $1.4 billion in equipment into Mexico's war on drug cartels was very much alive and should not be held up by the U.S. presidential election this year, as some fear.

Congress is debating the first $550 million chunk of the "Merida Initiative" aid agreed in the town of Merida, Mexico, last year, and Mukasey said the odds of it being approved "ought to be good".

"I don't see why a presidential election should interfere with this effort," he said earlier at a news conference to flag increased U.S. efforts to stem the flow of guns into Mexico.

Under the so-called Project Gunrunner, Washington plans to extend "e-trace" tracking software to its embassies across Mexico that Mexican investigators can use to trace dealers in the United States where guns seized from drug hitmen originated.

More U.S. police will be deployed in border towns to check gun dealers' records and work on tip-offs from Mexico to "squeeze weapons off at the source", Mukasey said.

Medina Mora said January's surge in bloodshed so far -- which saw a sleeping 3-year-old boy and his mother shot dead in their beds -- was "intolerable" and the 25,000 troops and federal police fighting the gangs would respond by stepping up their efforts.

"Mexico is much stronger than the criminal gangs," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; border; borders; corruption; mexico; projectgunrunner
Under the so-called Project Gunrunner, Washington plans to extend "e-trace" tracking software to its embassies across Mexico that Mexican investigators can use to trace dealers in the United States where guns seized from drug hitmen originated.
1 posted on 01/16/2008 4:27:27 PM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: Media Cat; muggs; pinkpanther111; Jaded; Tigen; flattorney; bigjoesaddle; FryingPan101; ...

Gunrunner Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


2 posted on 01/16/2008 4:29:35 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: SwinneySwitch
U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey promised Mexico tougher controls on guns flowing illegally over the border on Wednesday as Mexican drug cartels have slain 115 people already this month

How about a trade? We clamp down on guns going across and they clamp down on illegals?

3 posted on 01/16/2008 5:01:09 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Lawyer Jay Grodner stands accused of keying a Marine's car because he hates the military.)
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To: SwinneySwitch; Liberty Valance
I work for a gun shop in San Antonio. About a month ago we stopped a semi-auto .50 M-2 Heavy machine gun (Ma Deuce)from going down to Mexico.

We were doing a transfer on the M-2 which had come in from a seller in the Pacific Northwest. Half an hour after the weapon arrived, two men from Brownsville showed up for it. One was a young US national who was unemployed, yet still had $8500 to spend on a weapon that he knew absolutely nothing about. The other man was a Mexican national.

They didn’t seem to understand that they needed a tripod or a pintle to mount it on, yet they claimed to be “collectors.”

We finally got the BATF involved. After several hours, the BATF told the two men that they could take the weapon back to Brownsville, but that an agent would come to the owner’s home every single day to make sure that the M-2 was still in his possession.

At that point the “collectors” left an $8500 weapon sitting on the store’s counter and walked out of the store saying, “We ain’t done nothing but you treating us like criminals.”

I wonder if those two “collectors” are even still alive.

The BATF made the point that as we were giving the Mexicans hell for the drugs coming out of the country, the Mexican government was giving us as much hell about the guns going into Mexico.

Say what you will about the BATF, but there is no doubt in my mind that the M-2 would have been in Mexico before the sun came up and converted back to full-auto in another day or so. We kept some Mexican cops, or more likely, some American Border Patrol guys from getting the hell shot out of them.

For what it’s worth, I was mechanized infantry for many years, and I know all about Ma Deuce.

5 posted on 01/16/2008 5:03:43 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: Brucifer

What company ever made a semi-automatic M2 and what became of it?


6 posted on 01/16/2008 5:48:39 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Stephen Decatur

U.S. Embassy Mexico Press Releases 08

Our Continued Efforts Will Deny Firearms to Criminal Organizations and Reduce Gun Violence

Statement by Ambassador Antonio O. Garza

http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/releases/ep080116eTrace.html

Mexico City, January 16, 2008 - “Today I am announcing that the U.S. government is increasing its ongoing efforts to stem the illegal flow of firearms to Mexico, to deprive drug trafficking organizations of firearms and to reduce gun-related violence on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border.

“As part of Project Gunrunner, announced today by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), eTrace technology will be used in all nine U.S. consulates in Mexico to help trace firearms. Using eTrace technology bolsters the capacity of law enforcement agencies to identify patterns of drug traffickers and other criminal organizations bringing guns into Mexico from the United States. In addition, eTrace assists criminal investigators to develop leads and prosecute firearms traffickers and straw purchasers (people who knowingly purchase guns for prohibited persons) even before they cross the border.

“The eTrace technology was recently installed in U.S. consulates in Monterrey, Hermosillo and Guadalajara, with additional deliveries to all the remaining U.S. consulates in Mexico planned by March 2008. We also are in discussions with the government of Mexico to create a Spanish-language version of eTrace for use by law enforcement agencies in Mexico.

“Project Gunrunner will also focus ATF’s investigative, intelligence and training expertise to suppress firearms trafficking to Mexico, with additional special agents, industry operations investigators and intelligence research specialists in the United States assigned to combat firearms trafficking to Mexico.

“The continued expansion of our enforcement and strategic efforts on the U.S.-Mexico border, in partnership with the government of Mexico and other U.S. agencies, will deny firearms to criminal organizations and combat gun-related violence and homicides on both sides of the U.S.- Mexico border.”


7 posted on 01/16/2008 5:57:33 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: Shooter 2.5
They are rebuilt from fully automatic M-2s by some companies. You can buy a kit and build one yourself if you wish. This is pretty common with a number of fully automatic weapons. A lot of folks want weapons like MP-40s and BARs, but don’t want to mess with the BATF. Somebody used to make a semi-auto M-60 at one time.
8 posted on 01/16/2008 6:03:05 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: Brucifer; Eaker; humblegunner; Squantos; SandRat


Ma Deuce BANG. Keep'em Stateside ...
Thanks for posting Bruce. [;o)
9 posted on 01/16/2008 9:03:43 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Shooter 2.5

The same company that makes miniaturized dildos.


10 posted on 01/16/2008 9:20:19 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
At least they could have traded for better Mexican control of traffic, drugs and people, coming the other way.

I mean really, who gives una Asno de la rata if a bunch of Mexican drug dealers kill each other?

11 posted on 01/16/2008 9:20:56 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Brucifer

Why did you need to bring in the BATFE? You could have just denied the sale, on the basis that it seemed like, and probably was, a straw man purchase?


12 posted on 01/16/2008 9:24:51 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Haven't looked in Shotgun News lately have you? They are build from surplus parts, with new semi-auto only side plates.

Looking at the latest issue I see: an M2Hb semi-auto and m3 Flexible type semi auto from Cole Distributing, Scotsville KY, they are manufactured by Allied Armament out of Scappoose, OR

It even has an optional "crank" type activator that is somewhat disguised as part of the spade grip, except when in use, for "burst" fire.

13 posted on 01/16/2008 9:48:12 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Mexico... has urged its northern neighbor to stem the flood of U.S. firearms, grenades and military weapons that wind up in the hands of Mexican gangs.

I must have missed that isle last time I was at BassPro.

HEY! Anybody know where the "grenades and military weapons isle is at Bass Pro? Cabelas? uhhh, Wal-Mart?

This load of government crap gets even better...

Under the so-called "Project Gunrunner," (woooo, what a cool name, eh?) Washington plans to extend "e-trace" tracking software to its embassies across Mexico that Mexican investigators can use to trace dealers in the United States where guns seized from drug hitmen originated.

More U.S. police will be deployed in border towns to check gun dealers' records and work on tip-offs from Mexico to "squeeze weapons off at the source", Mukasey said.

Well ain't that just typical! Go after the legitimate licensed dealer but hey, not a word about the foreign national (illegal alien) in the US (illegally) buying the firearm (illegally) with forged ID (illegal) and smuggling them into mexico (illegally). Nope, apparently the illegal alien drug and human smugglers gotta have something to backhaul on the return trip to mexico. Can't have any deadhead mileage there, right?

This is nothing but another way to increase budgets for the feds and that "crack" organization, BATFE.

BATFE... Battle Against The Friggin Empire

14 posted on 01/17/2008 6:22:16 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: El Gato; Liberty Valance
“Why did you need to bring in the BATFE?”

It wasn’t me. The store owner wanted to bring in the BATFE. We weren’t sure exactly what the druggies might do in retaliation, so he wanted to make sure that all our butts were covered.

I’m not always a fan of BATFE, but to protect the business I can see the owner’s side of the situation. If you have dealt with the BATFE you know that they can parse the law down to the last syllable. The owner has only one source of income and absolutely can’t afford to piss off the government. In this case I think the right thing was done, and some “collectors” have their names known to the authorities.

I don’t think everybody with badges are bad guys.

Also, anyone want to predict how many initials the BATFE is going to add to their name before they’re done?

15 posted on 01/17/2008 12:34:01 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: Liberty Valance
Thanks, great photo. It reminds me of my ill-spent youth.

Mount up!

16 posted on 01/17/2008 12:35:54 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: TLI; Liberty Valance
“HEY! Anybody know where the “grenades and military weapons isle is at Bass Pro? Cabelas? uhhh, Wal-Mart?”

LOL! They keep ‘em on the same isle that they keep all those bullets that can blow up cars and trucks. You know, right next to all those fancy pistols that shoot sideways.

Actually, I’ve had some similar problems with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Their silly rulings have kept me from stocking up on the tactical nukes that I might just need some day. The NRC has been excessively authoritarian and insensitive to my needs.

17 posted on 01/17/2008 12:43:11 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: El Gato

Agree........weird.


18 posted on 01/17/2008 2:49:43 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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